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Might show. Home just one day and guess what day it is and everybody. It's Mike Hsu open. Mike Mike Mike what does it Mike that I. And a Bulldog. And guess what day it is aka I know you can hear me it's my shield and a Bulldog and guess what today it's. Tungsten. And on WG ER well. Sports ring you'll find. Right to say that Ryan. Japan is. An infatuation. With the days of the week. Does Ryan have like at a certain. Interest in the days of the week. I'd say it's more more pronounced than any producer. We've got the wind today here about the the about the Monday's opening we've got this was a Friday one at the stone cold Steve lost the house bet bet is that like at 6 o'clock on Friday that's not it three all that's that's going home you're rated yet Edward grant last old middle of the week right right but still it's a Friday what's Friday and Friday but a you know but I know it's just you now. It's it's nice to have some staples that ask her to go to play that way I can do last year and each day of the week that's usually what it's I'm trying to do. Myself. Okay I thought for a sec you might say something like. I grew up in a house where everybody really cared a lot of well what the day of the week Wallace we always talked a lot about the fact that it was Wednesday. When it was Wednesday and but now now it didn't happen there was like that it wasn't like that. Craig Constance of espn.com has put a piece up and the NHL draft. And visible sabres thing in here that will get too up pretty soon maybe. And it for today Adam Kimelman from NHL dot com will be on also primarily talk about the draft. Which use. What they don't what day is it Wednesday is it Wednesday. It's let's see two weeks and two days away would be that the first round of the draft in buffalo. Two weeks from Friday cool. Will you indulge me on something else here first though coach Byrd BP. So I was news. Almost out the door. And I'm on my phone like getting my shoes on him getting ready to leave to come here. Hours ago and I see I don't that may or how many are built through a witness in early two hours ago ports. I look at my phone and see that there is a two week. So his retreated. Fox. Football. Writer Peter Schrager. Who boasts a podcast. That I've never heard. And it's with the Seahawks general manager John Schneider. And Ian Schrager is. Promotion of it on Twitter he mentions J. P. Losman. And how the Packers. Almost drafted JP Lawson does that is almost the word he used. Yellow that's what's in the it's yet all what is it yet the tag for the podcast is Schneider opens up. How the Packers almost took JP lost in the year before Rogers yeah so I thought will be just. I didn't realize at first that it was a podcast but I quickly did. And let me just see a bike and buying this in listened to a real quick and then think about it on my way in. And it's about an hour and fifteen minutes long. And I listen to I tried to jump ahead and catch a part re talking about Rogers are talking about Losman or something. And I found Rogers and went on for ten or fifteen minutes. And I didn't hear anything about Losman that I jumped forty talking about Russell Wilson. And trading for Marshawn Lynch Schneider again the Seahawks GM would go with the Packers and teams. Said I route which is remember right was we traded for Marshawn Lynch. And I give all the way to the end I've spent half an hour listen this thing. And I really like that by the way in and I could not find lost mentally text Ryan. I'm driving to work. Can you just buying real quick and easy for you let me just find the lost everything right. A bigger it's Wednesday so Ryan doesn't make an open. Right he's got wedged it easiest pieces hanging out listened to unfreeze Javier in there whatever reason these names yet these good ideas here and he can't find it either he hasn't found it either so we collectively spent an hour. Listening to a podcast it's barely longer than that and we can't find any reference to Losman. Just. Both dive back into it again I gotta I gotta go with this as. And I find out 43 minutes in to this podcast again it's really good like I didn't know really much about John Schneider. Except it's that same name is the guy who was on the Dukes of Hazzard them and I know bug about John Schneider. Bodies medical career Green Bay Kansas City he tells a story a bye notes. How lucky and another NFL executive who were scouts or personnel people that GMs at the time. Were together often in northern California. Out west scouting Rogers and also scouting Alex Smith. And then. How Smith went this is 2005 now Smith went to be drafted number one by San Francisco and it's kind of a cool story Autoliv if you don't mind. He this Schneider. And Ted Thompson the GM of the Packers in 05. It was three days I think he said before that draft this is the draft where you see Rogers in the green room forever. Maybe everybody's talking modern Rogers today because Brothers on the bachelorette I don't know but there there was this thing. And he said about three days before the draft they are working and they have the TV on. And Mike may doc is doing a mock draft on TV. And he says something about how like after the twelfth pick if Rodgers or Smith who would've ever goes and go one. He's still on the board could be awhile. And the hurt that the Packers the Packers. Offices they heard that and thought you know that would be right. And so they immediately went to work on Roger's the dog in the scouting but he said he said in this podcast with Peter Schrager Howell. The guys do you think of is being the top players when your drafting in the twenties you just don't spend that much time. It was when he heard Mike Maalox day. It'll be interesting to see what happens when their Rodgers if he isn't picked early. The Packers a bubble let's let's go over them. And they of course drafted him that way in 2005. Leader in the podcast. Not a lot not a lot later but. Little while after that. He said is just. I'm so proud Rogers. Schneider again now with the Seahawks so proud of I am so happy to that worked out is too great great guy and all this. And he said. That what it was like for him to have to fall that night or Saturday afternoon actually gotten to fall that day in the draft. And then also have to be behind Brett. Far and deal with that I'm I'm just so glad that he got through that and has been a great player. Because we. We talked about like what are we gonna do about Brett someday and in 04. We came. Close to draft he calls them low postman right drafting JP lost but he didn't get to us in case he says I I I think I've got the quote. Pretty close to verbatim it's. We talked about maybe taking J. P. Losman but he didn't. Yeah it didn't it didn't get to eating get to Green Bay so of course why did me. The bills move into the first round in 04. Treaty with Dallas. One pick after New England takes Vince Wilfork. And draft Losman. To be Drew Bledsoe was back. Just pretend permitted here that they didn't do that. So in Dallas goes and all Losman goes to Green Bay or some morals. And the bill's going to 2004. With Bledsoe is their starter as they holy intend Newton. And someone else as the backup quarterback whoever might about and who was their backup quarterback in 2003. I don't know. Know Israel felt at that and probably I don't know maybe. So. They going to 2004. Bledsoe plays like he did anyway so what else the backup lost meant nothing. To the 2004 season they write very briefly have a pretty good season Bledsoe is not real good but they have a good year right they win nine games you lose that finale. Against Pittsburgh. It's a big let down but still to nine and seven season. And it wouldn't have been crazy to go into 2005 reports which are quarterbacks all. Right. What the I don't know I don't wanna go here what they didn't wanna do is. What what they eat what they guarded against by drafting Losman. When they did was. Being in a position where they would go into a season with a rookie. As their starter and they Donahoe the the booking edit looking back at Dayton maybe this is just easy to say that this one is truly this was known. They wanted they believed in the seasoning. Aspect we want a guy on our team to learn and then eventually will gradually. To Hammond he'll play. And they chose Losman for that and it is how it went right. Bledsoe was summarily. Executed from this franchise after the steeler game like he could've stayed in stayed in the league right. But it was a real good after that at all but he did stay in the lead twice daily it would have been knots coming up a nine win season. They did have their moments later they won six in a row one point four that steeler game. And some of those games the offense was pretty good and it would have been. I can't remember. It being its it was not a foregone conclusion that all communities and ended that he get no wasn't. No we went around a long time arm whether that would happen in this sort of Zoellick was gonna. And is dead but you draft lost in their especially when you trade into the first round that sort of portion once about the door right you also have this. This feeling of obligation. To support him in and that was that was at work then too so. Losman and 04 here is John Schneider who was in the Green Bay front office saying in this podcast today. Like that was somebody they very well what he's out of like was that very well might have happened had Losman but on the board at 25. The bills take him at 22. Green Bay by the way takes a mod Carroll who is not in the league for very long and this is really just say real quick friends who are like nodding along like. This isn't new information. It's been speculated about for almost since that draft happened. The bills hadn't moved into that spot that Green Bay like. It's been written and to maybe to some extent even assumed. But this the first time I've ever heard anyone involved say what. Serious name in in ways that is substantive even if they're saying it differently right then we always assure so. 05 then. Dallas has the bills peck at winning and ends up being picked twining. And Green Bay is at 24. When it drafts Rodgers. So without loss men. And maybe Bledsoe is still on the team because you're thinking is I mean Donald is still here right now thinking is. I want whoever I'm grooming I want her to be grooming brightly and we'd we'd get our guy last year we couldn't we wanted to. We wanted to trade but Dallas didn't wanna trade because they really liked the guy or one up or. And so you're says Eric when he. And do you just. Well what isn't I would I'd first round grades Donovan weren't funny I think we should do that. Yes. Just pick Aaron Rodgers yes. Right. So if the bills and in pretty cool if this had happened. Right now might about motive but right there's no certainty there but it might have been if this should happen. What else happens. Mike Rogers. Weeks behind far. Farber is traded one when is that only. Yet it's is that generates a little while there he doesn't wait that long you're seven is 2007 is giants Packers. NFC championship Lambeau Field the giants win. Maybe in overtime on interception in the win in overtime and then Favre goes to the jets. So. He has. 3 years 56 and seven he's not pulling you just yeah I'm the type who goes a dozen doesn't matter that march. Maybe it's easier 2016 but I don't attribute Aaron Rodgers excellence. To having been. On the bench from the U Norton lie but there's no knowing. Well I mean to try to figured out I guess that might be a good part of this exercise run really rounded out. What are the bills like in 2006. That if they take Rodgers in five. Bledsoe still hear the plan is room at least a year. Then so he hangs out Bledsoe as your quarterback an O five. And the old six bills you're ready to start up and Aaron Rodgers after sitting behind bullets of for a year or is your quarter. I know I do think he needs three years sitting there but what does my team like. What is he walking into how old stable is the organization how stable is the coaching staff. You know what kind of people as we have to work with on offense how good can he be right away. It is really gonna support is there for him to be good that's that's. Well you don't Knoll what it looks like right away Green Bay was good. They had far point they were always good with far they were in the playoffs and now. He slides in there and that's on Nicky made you know. And I that ready to have a quarterback excel. In 2006. What's my team I can't remember whose money well old. Five was a bad year. 05 is. The second of the two Mike Malarkey years and a lot of things go badly lost Muniz in and out of the starting lineup Kelly Holcomb is in. And you're not too. You got to Marv Levy. And his return yet even you have a mix of veterans and you're this young quarterback on a team with lots on defense a lot of veteran players. But it if the question is is it reasonable to thank. That if the bills are drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005 which very well might have happened had they not meet the loss in trade. Would Rodgers be Rodgers. With the bills be Green Bay I think it is reasonable to think that I don't think it's far fetched at all. To think that Mike Malarkey is is this coach could he beat Mike McCarthy. Yes I think I think yes. It's not that they're the same person. But I think a quarterback can do that for call. Generally I subscribe to that I think I think Barbara Rogers helped make McCarthy who McCartney's. But that's just. You've got an excellent quarterback. Your play calling is probably gonna be lauded. Because you've got a package that it's the league that that's running it helps fuel you know. So I'm. And Bubba. Beset the first summit or thought of it now the fight like I said it's been out there are you know all four. It's been out there for. On the year are we talking about here and other delegate more than a decade you know there there's there's two there's always been two things about. The loss mean pick one being that. People believe that Donna hole really wanted Roethlisberger. And Pittsburgh took him at 111 and they drafted Lee Evans at thirteen. And that if he had traded back in there to take lost an agreement. And then we're. You know does that mean you isn't acceptable to just trade clause meant for Rodgers would Rogers have ended up here if they had or would they have taken a man who. What quarterbacks went later in that draft him and there's those four excellent round guys the Ole foreground or. Results for first rounder is. How far you goal before somebody. Else gets taken in the second round of the third round but do the bills feel like they need to take the next best guy lost in. It snatched out from under my greenback. There were seventeen quarterbacks picked in 2004. Lost in being the fourth. The next one if I'm just doing this fast the next one is pick ninety. Match job. Who had a better career than JP did right you have Luke McKay alone you. I'm going deep now here you have read Craig's friend soul Trombley who won the national championship right for Ohio State and we've McGahee is that right cry and so. I think that's right now. And be all know Josh terrorist Jim Sorgi. Jeff smoker John Navarre John Navarre play in the legal bit Cody Pickett anyway. Yeah so do they pick match at all. Somewhere because they wanna guided groom and then there's no Aaron Rodgers with the bad dreams it. You know Saudi was good enough where if they had done that. I think yes I think Rogers is probably not a consideration run. Don't know if they if they yet they were taken a guy in the ninetieth third you know third round third round. I don't think they're drafting effort from quarterback the next no. They're hoping it was but neither is greenback well right that's right so Rogers where Rogers where as you know it's nice to think about him landing here. And me and maybe that's rightly me maybe if they had and got a first round quarterback drew said forget it. We don't wanna take a flyer on the ninetieth early you know this guy that's rated that oh we want a groom someone better wait a match Joseph with the pick. After Rodgers was a quarterback to. Jason Campbell. Washington drafted Jason Campbell one pick after Green Bay took Rodgers so he did slip may be Erin Rogers is in Washington. I don't know. Yes by the way his brother is on the bench. And I think he's one of the favorites. And last night they played football with the Steelers with Ben Roethlisberger. On the bachelorette. And Jordan Rodgers. Who was the Vanderbilt quarterback once and got a pro tryout or was it was in camp with somebody you know who. The he he played. Last night you missed that I can you take. It's an old. No you a question about the drought I'll give you a question about the drought. Mazzulla more questions about points about the bachelorette no I likened to pick somebody shots at bats away and I watched increment to. That was my choice which was not a great choice you might have thought it would have been good even though all the people say that it's knew it was going to be bad but I was in a spot. Where. Mean the boy I would watch. Went looking for Steinfeld and it was Big Bang theory. And they like that I don't like that my wife likes that soy quickly just surf Wear when there was increment to one that backs saying channel group channels like I could not. Span it's it's it's only issues. Think shot actually. They could've picked a better quarterback than Ben Roethlisberger to be on the bachelor I know. That was in the the blast of an quarterback off the field is off and it comes to real life mystery right I'm not that I thought I thought it was a little awkward. Watching him and Joseph Joseph for a brief moments. Is that not you know I agree with that I agree. Posited even play like you thought you might actually see Ben Roethlisberger play. Throw passes to guys know uses sort of like a figurehead there. He won a question about the drop out what was the what was that well it's. It's not the nicest question. But then again it is a sixteen year Newton playoff drought. Who more than anyone else. Is to blame. Who is the biggest. The reason. For the drought whose most defaults. One person. Is most at fault for the dress for the drought. In all the easy answer is the owner. But the owner hired a football dial it down a hole that was not a crazy move. So like I might. I think the default answer most fans I bet if you read his her family feud the number one answer on the board would be duke I do. I think number two would be well. And I don't know that I can't make an argument that Donald deserves more of the blame. Who started to heat your you'd trade our number one pick for Bledsoe and then you're just trees and and that's and that's lost me and and it just never stop stop chasing that's beef Patrick contract that I mean it's just all it starts this year. It starts with I'm treating a number one pick for this quarter. And just rolls from there. And that's Donahoe and eat you know he made some good there were some good players and great players on on some of those teams. So heat but I might. I might land on Donald. Can I pick Adrian Wilson that. And I'll auditor and a note that hurts. Boy there are some really interest thing possible answers to that. You think. The most common answer would be Wilson and Ralph Wilson Adrian rolls and yeah and I might agree with a book by how much like how wide a margin. Mean you have so many people. Players executives coaches. Players on the bills and other teams and who is most to blame for the drought. Are giving up a bigger business than term 8030550. Feel pretty give us yours you can tweet us tax those 55550. Mike show with a Bulldog WGR. And today's ghost busters today. He causes him ghost busters came out on this day. In 1984. It is a day today you know that's what Twitter has done. The Negroni got a whole week saw it's also referenced the Negroni. Which are backed up what you were saying earlier this week or was that last week ago. The popular amongst. People who frequent. You know establishments with things he. What aspects that you learn better and yet there was I saw a story about a story it's a popular driller amongst you know. These young women hid Jews you know when it's that. I've got two things are bigger than a grown every week every negro we sold is actually part of that is given to cheer. So there's I forget what the exact charity was but if I make one at home this money go to they're out that doesn't count got to bias that Clinton's establishment and you can actually go see Eagles pollsters in theaters tonight around the area are. Doing go oh cool shell out right. I'm excited. To continue our conversation about. Bill's history but night and do what I do wanna talk about this song a little bit later. We'll bring it back by both do that there's a long show okay. There's a bit but it's a lawsuit song the song has a story that's right missed some history and a video where a lot of famous people in. And ends. Yes. Ghostbusters day all right what one person. Is most to blame for the bills having the longest. Running playoff drought in North American pro sports. You say Ralph. Where you say O'Donnell I think I would argue Don holds more than Ralph I've but I would predict if we were plain family feud between you know. Asked a hundred people the most frequent response the majority response would be would be older. I think I have to say the owner because what happened. That was seen. Under his control. You ultimately get to a place where you have to decide whether you blame him for keeping the team. Because at some point you say most people would say. But he was so old men like how can you really blame a guy in his ninety's for. Whatever it is I never wanted to blame him for keeping the team now again it really felt like that was right. To blame him for his desire near the end of his life. To retain ownership of the bills that if if he thought if he felt that this was one of the most important things in his life Roger probably was then who is anybody else to say. You shouldn't have that you know what that's. They. They were hairs out I IA. Would favor Donna hole in this discussion. And in part with that in mind I feel like that was a decision. He he gave Don a hole all the power and that was. That was a big deal for him. To sort of turn that over it it felt like and it felt appropriate. Thinking about his age and where he was Adam you know in his life. To I am and I'll hire we've talked about the czar in the last couple of years your I'm gonna hire this guy that has a great reputation from a championship organization. And I'm gonna give him. It's his it's his stats he's shown now. Alma stepped back and let him make all the decisions. And to what extent exactly that happened in a 100% I mean I can't tell you. Because stores of Ralph being involved there if you want you probably would Balkan using the board met when it's his team but. Whether he was truly removed or not is debatable. But he gave Don a whole lot of power. And it ended with and being. As angry as I think they've ever been at the franchise and the owner writing a letter of apology to the newspaper. That's a good on all error and and I also think. You start on the quarterback. Train chasing your quarterback. With Donna hold its first big. And from there you just want to re opened up you're talking about the loss in decision that he can't make that trade in the east what you up to draft Aaron Rodgers. Okay then it's probably a lot different for him here. What he chases he's t.'s TE cheese's Losman. But I don't blame him for the Bledsoe trade I was like Bledsoe more than you I think he was good enough to. 22 watts I think he was good enough of a player for the bills to have reason to want him. They paid steeply together and they paid a first round pick to get them. They improved by five wins the next year like I I think. I would have a hard time voice in our time criticizing. That move even at that price. Ike I'm critical the Losman move not because Losman wasn't good so don't expect these guys to know. Whether the players will be good but because you're trading right into the draft your your forcing it and you. Mast wit. The the dynamics of the team that it was like a veteran team that he belts. With Malloy and spikes and lecturer and drew. And those guys and Eric Moulds like then you're gonna put this kid in there. And that was awkward right away and then you turn the team over to a woman that didn't go well all. And then when he was done before you know with that move signs are no signs. Always gonna get out of that so you still need a quarterback that he went and got one. And I I wouldn't call that like a failure. So I can't blame him but I think I might elect him more than you too. Blood so you mean are gone now. What I'd walk to slaughter. But I did not like the blitzer deal at all at inception it was. I remember. If we we still will sometimes talk about this and I'll make this quit or whether you wanna be the guy that's in the way of the avalanche of good feelings. One of the first times in my career doing that were with Kevin Sylvester them in the mornings it is the Monday after the draft and they made that trade. What an hour into the show our happened cavities credit. Sort of challenged me as he said you've seen what you really like the system you know what I don't. I don't I don't like this guy I've never liked this guy I think you're him when the bills play him. And I don't like the price so I and I felt like a jerk being the guy that's on the radio the day after the bills just. Made this monster treat this giant number one overall pick quarterback but I don't like. So I've got. What ever I I'd always stood there. So little areas you know when I didn't like that trade. And to meet you pale that and then 12 years later your draft and got to replace them what you don't yet that's the part I'd just go right think was. On time Joseph is on WGR I GO. I got it competently don't think most. Of it going down it came should look a little bit I. Think martyr as she am. Are you know put back. A couple years. Churning that I think he hired crotch rot and die for I would have preferred that the time I think a list and that Mike Sherman. And I believe some of the players. He brought in here. I'm I'm correct. Here soccer eat Langston Walker Robert Royal. Each. Page sixty senate pack and added to that sixteen year. Out there. To me Joseph thank you. Everything marketed Marv did is Ralph though like all all of that is on Ralph all the whole idea is on Ralph. And if Ralph Wilson. Offers Marv Levy that opportunity. I'm not gonna blame mark Levy for saying yes like that isn't to me in that doesn't work why should Neve said yes. He wanted to coach I think and that was what was available GM yeah so we got to be the GM. But. I I don't think I never thought. There was really much reason to think mark would do well. He was on WGR. Weeklies the year before. And to like a train fan like he doesn't really know he doesn't really follow the leak. And he was way up there in years respectively so. I was never like that optimistic for that and so. If your truck if you're just trying to throw a name and that's what callers and doing these things like is it too is obvious that it's Ralph. You're making the case for Don over here the guys says what do they say right here he says well I don't think it's a yeah well I leave surely be a part of a story. I I can I I can pretty easily and it's just you know it's cause and effect and there's no way to really prove this. But it felt very much to me like Levy being brought back into the organization wall as a reaction. To everything I just laid out about how the Donna whole thing ended Levy was. I think I even said this I didn't like say get at the time but Levy's brought back in here it's like they were trying to paste the big yellow smiley face on the organization we. Do. You like because sort. Of so I know you can't be met in my are what we heard my error sorry. He took your signs were sorry about it here's Marv. And that is because of different holds ultimate failure. So I can I can Trace a trail of bread crumbs to still say Donahoe warnings tomorrow. For that reason I think Donna hold begets more when Ross. I mean. Rel also turned the team over the rocks it's. And rush was here at old time he had power. At a at a period there with Maher here or after. It was kind of after Ross rader was the person. That was supposed to be in the team together yeah. I have never fell. I think that was ought on fortune it's a word that he ever was in charger football. That but it's the body Nixie eventually get a real football general manager I think I remember Ralph saying. At that time when he when he. Replaced I guess Russ. I don't know all he's had power but I feel like he has never except for that little bit of time being ultimately the guy. Deciding the direction. The draft and create like who the players are going to be on the team I think he's always been bearer sold. He carries a lot of weight put I don't think animals I think he gets humor round. And greatly yup that's right. I think that's right. Here is Mitchell on WGR hello. Our guys. My person is Bill Belichick. And the depths well yes it. It got to that on because I guess the patriots being liked so dominant or not. Out of in a play out drop for the bills on particularly firstly we Univision up site and on the table at all. And after that what two losses mostly years bode well. At some point. Right Belichick and Brady that's right now and I'm laughing because it's right I think it. Like the playoff drought is me with out making the playoffs is that why you haven't won a Super Bowl is not why you don't have fifty more wins over sixty maybe you'd have. 220. It's making the playoffs and this is correct the patriots. Beating the patriots. That has a lot to do it any other division in the league. You have better rods. And in most divisions are several division you have a lot better rods. You know the year you'll get a play that some teams get an eight Nader nine and seven. Mean the bills have done that. We've had those records not a lot. Yes. I don't sneeze at that Belichick Brady I don't sneeze at that. I might take Brady had apologized. Because I think Brady is what really made the difference to me him that the great quarterback is gonna make the coach morsel of politics a great coach. There's no denying that by. I think Brady is more responsible for that dominance and even coaches but it is. Juanita pick someone on another accident has seemed it's like a sick sort of against the point. Whose whose most to blame for hell would be. Dodgers won game one. Over the gays in the 1988 worlds here Dennis Ackerley credit. I don't that is are we were the Gibson for the a the other side I don't know if yeah. But. You know. Adam Kimelman coming up at four NHL dot com and the drafts coming up more than two weeks away. In buffalo go to Twitter here see what's out there who is most to blame for the drought. Maybe a couple of things you don't know about the ghost busters although you know some of it may be you don't all of latency. Mike show and the Bulldog here this is WGR. Back in the top spot whatever it is one of the top. And that's what we know for. That's what Ryan I don't know poor family history if he. I've yet to hear what got no choice but to be agree these so. We got to go out there make it happen. Practice everyday is try to get better next time we got to do we've got to make sure we're but it better product. Preston rock Preston brown in the fills that work today. We will reach out to sell pot you'll to have him on leader hockey in about twelve minutes with. Adam Kimelman deputy managing editor for Mitchell McConnell talked raft. I Saudi existing. Raft today or series of graphs today and the draft and this is like the idea that I that I talked about with the NFL draft is. Putting together a bunch of predictions mock drafts or rankings really its rankings. Irrespective of what teams seem to need watt. And then you rank the players and you play about the draft. And so we have this in hockey hockey grass did something. That looks nicer than leaving diverted. And I get an idea from that like who are the likely -- possibilities for the sabres. At the you don't really need the graph to know that after paying attention. But. One guy is close to 5050 on that and we'll talk about that in. A little bit here's Louis on WGR Lewis. I don't want to thank you Dolly. All. I want I explain this one lawyer I wanna hit the fans' thoughts. It's me it's the number one at that buys and all the product that they. So every single year from. 2000 I mean they don't put the product on the field for a bit but they get the revenue from prefer them into the season are always sold out every year. We sign people like growing. A long bolts query only its that we we dress and what it would be able to both political players you don't win Super Bowls. With pieces they like that like. Buying nuclear or an old car if you don't have the quarterback almost. Conditions to add up and it means nothing. It would combine whatever they were on fire if I put stake compliment that I guess they would you combine it. If you responsible for me to make more money. That the that the way I look at us as we are a lot of point threat during the dry on the air all we know one. Item what are they were solidly. And had the made good moves we would've bought that to mean if you're I get I get this point. Would they have done things differently if fan support were less. I don't know that's right that's where I think I really doubt mean I really doubt it I mean I I think if we weren't supporting them. Then maybe Ralph what do move them. Mean I think maybe that would have been the end game I don't think fans. Op that that the fans power. The power of the dollar only extends so far. I think if you stop supporting a pro sports team the cold hard reality is they leave. May be I don't share that opinion I don't think he was ever gonna leave but I don't know. I don't either think. Fans most fans regret supporting the bills all these years it's fun it's fun it's fun anyway. It's on the talk about him anyway it's funded rank of before games anyway and it was your friends about whether sunny two alone it was a good idea now yeah that's it that's what that's what it's a part of the process. So getting excited about the yes it's it is that he gains. And sadly all too familiar. Every summer to try to talk yourself into. A good place with them and eventually. Maybe you reach a point you can't do that anymore I've done that many top teams over the last few years it can't. I can't get there I can't construct a scenario where you see them being good. It's not all the time but a lot of the time I I'd have run out of gas what it's still. The whole process having a team is a good thing that went their battered I mean sure you'd rather be good bye. I don't know I think it's I think it's harsh. To judge fans who were simply trying to have a good time. I guess and I mean that's like that pick a point in time where the color Louis thank you Louis mentions Terrell Owens so the bills don't signs Earl owns. And what happens. Fewer fans go to games. At some point here the logic the logic the red is. Bans don't support them that's what we needed to do. So we don't support him in 2009. Ever. That one. Do today is Ralph Wilson go home fans are supporting me you know what I should do the dollar Bill Parcells or somebody like that was never the thing that. Mean was that explained why the bills didn't hire someone like Bill Parcells. It was he's too good for ceased to watch that he's too expensive whatever might have man like that. It doesn't really get you to his thinking or his way of doing business in Parcells just one possible blame Brooke for that. So that's that's really that's where I opened the bills were going to move I don't know maybe if attendance fell off completely knows what happened. Adam Kimelman. And the draft what's likely is for the sabres are they getting close to the draft is in town it's good to know these names. Some of the guys included in that are players that we've met and talked with. On Friday showdown at Columbine hockey after this much open the Bulldog WGR.