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Yeah update live from one bills drive buffalo bills' players off their back tomorrow the Pittsburgh Steelers game they'll start the practice week for that tomorrow. Good chance of Ronald Darby might be able to return news out of concussion protocol Rex Ryan making that announcement yesterday. Darby entered in the first quarter of the Jacksonville game a couple of weeks ago out that game and then missed this past Sunday's game against the Oakland Raiders but. Right to the bills monitored Darby this week he how he progresses same story really. Robert Woods buffalo receiver who's been out a couple of games with the knee sprain there's chance it. Robert what's might be back this week against the Steelers pretty hard and not Kevin Becky goes on the season ending non football injury this. He sat with a bills last month coming out of retirement to do so they Andy's had migraine headaches since November 23. Missed the bills last two games with that condition so it turns out Harvard plays two games after returning to the bills got two passes six yards one rushing play for eleven yards in that game. New York Jets ready to turn the page on the quarterback tried Fitzpatrick is out after last night's jets lost 41 to ten to the Indianapolis Colts. He is gone now there he is on the roster but he will not start this week you go do brakes pretty sick to your quarterback they'll start the remaining four games according to. Coach Tom Bowles both said. That decision was made before last night's game win or lose they decided to make a quarterback change the jets have lost four in a row. Officially eliminated from playoff contention now with three wins and nine losses. San Diego Chargers this week talking with the mayor of San Diego whatever civic leaders out there to talk about the future of the chargers in San Diego. The the meetings will continue until the January 15 deadline to decide whether the chargers should move to the Los Angeles area and that share the stadium with the rings. Buffalo Sabres getting this set to play at home tonight the second of back to back games they've got. Economy David in the Edmonton Oilers in the building tonight. Jack cycle is good to play telling reporters after the morning skate that his ankle and hip is okay Amy will be able to play that is at 7 o'clock face off at keeping simmered down to. Now the John Murphy Joseph presented by no coach Jim Murphy. Donald Jones in studio here in our one buffalo studio and joining us right now on the subway fresh take outlined. A contributing writer for buffalo rumblings dot com who's done a study. About Tyrod Taylor in his first 25 NFL starts Tyrod. Now with 26 cynical starts after the games Sunday so the study done before the Oakland game. Are happy to have on the language this Jeff potter writer contributing writer for buffalo rumblings Jeff thanks for much for being on your on the libelous from a Carolina right. Certain things for me it's John Murphy and Donald Jones say to donate some. Obvious that you might expect. There is a a lot of discussion about Tyrod Taylor did the contract extension the option to pick up his Patrick looming of course next bring in people wanna. Kind of talk about that tell me about your decision to kind of look at tyrants first 25 NFL starts and argued decided it was time to compare him to some other quarterbacks. Well basically we come every week in buffalo rumblings after the game we are all pretty outpost in recap and get a little discussion going and what do become renters actor rejects and bill being. Brought up this compares end to. Armed. To a few quarterbacks especially whipped or urged the 200 yards or less milestone and it erecting have a lot of trouble getting an. Outing gaps are being ordered out so basically I. Took the four quarterbacks that come under Barbara porch or Ben Roethlisberger Russell Wilson Drew Brees and Tom Brady. And basically just stepped up Tyrod burst on our starts their purse or arch starts. In a few different areas. And I'm so I'm. Iago. Well what did you find I mean what what surprised you about your findings comparing. Tyrod Taylor to Brady Brees Roethlisberger and Wilson. It's it's surprising how old. How old are he looks pretty well in place when you compare to those numbers come like for example just looking at war are ever June's. I'm during his first one urged Turkey was about seventeen of 28. For 205. Touchdown in point four interceptions. I'm for example and Roethlisberger was fortunate one for 193. Touchdown imported seven interceptions. It's that post when those guys are turned out they were pretty much in line with work our dealers are now. Interceded and of course they all come at it from different angles in a tyrant with the the years in Baltimore Drew Brees and a couple of years cutting in and out of the starting line up in San Diego Brady. Set behind Bledsoe for awhile about that group and try to Roethlisberger. Started right away but didn't throw the ball all right away for a couple years. So they all come at a from different spots but. When you mention the 25 games I think it is a definite at least a valid point comparison when you agreed yet. Out toward towards our games and it sought. It's a bolt eased in in about 1982 another even. And markets are yet Tom Brady. I'm Brady didn't start tools wrecking your your breed swords. It Drew Brees was oh he's basically playing barracks eat or being in Tomlinson. Pretty much in San Diego. And then got Roethlisberger who was kind of forced into the starting lineup when talking merits carper. And then got wells and just earnest are part of it so yeah and then pirates there for four years so he's got. These guys comment from you are on different angles albeit a level of experience and pretty close to the same numbers. You know we we actually received this that this morning. And it it compares Tyrod Taylor and there Carswell also. I know the names if you have. In the article that you wrote but did you do anything on their car because his stats are pretty similar as tolerant as well in his first once it starts. I I didn't look too far are like just to keep it simple for myself I only wanted it to the guys that are. Two guys or Bart opening comment wondered identical except. Because of our PR running comparison and we'll really be older the only other gathered that they are running model. Sordid quite a little bit cam Newton's number. Especially armed. Like what am I sort of one of the search and an era look at normal light numbers. Which are basically. Comparing your Gary steps to the rest of the Wii game and leasing at that obligate. Scale where 100 it is we ever June and above or below the ball below the average. I'm. If there is definitely some room for program when you look at it from that angle because specifically were the number of sales jumped out to me when I was doing that's what the strict percentage. Like is checked percentage than ever joke or two years seventy point five birdies percentage normalized which means. Basically he's giving it about 1 morning at 10% more often than any other organic meat. And Al guy like Wilson and its first two seasons. What they're eating worn so we don't you can at 19% more often. Vertigo a camera in Italy and below ninety. To 93 has seen in. He's never gotten below we are beat usually Wear it around meeting ever so it'll are getting rid of the ball. Senior receiver and just not taking as many sects. It's dead and number wryly points there I think it's the biggest banking account. Yet Jeff senators are cast from a either contributing writer buffalo rumblings that Tommy's got a statistical analytics study of Tyrod Taylor's first point five games compared them to others and and you're right we talked about yesterday tyra hanging onto the ball too long that you can see that when you watch a game you're numbers also show I believe that Tyrod has. A higher yards per game total then. Most of the other five quarterbacks in your comparison everybody except Tom Brady so. Even though we know he hasn't hit the 300 yards threshold yet and he's had trouble getting the 200 yards much of the season. The others didn't do much better than tyrant in the for 25 starts is that correct. That is correct them what was burger world were boat right under 200. And Brees will ritual three. Our rituals are on Brady was up to 27 now Brady had. According to fuel our wire being here the fewest games under 200 yards yeah actually 400 yard gain church. So that's it numbers are pretty well but everybody else but I want to be other things what it I'm malware section and are up. I want a little bit in the market statistics. Are for a bed and pulled out some not being standard deviations and he scores are basically. Standard deviation essentially how are each game is off from Milosevic is gains. I'm Terence standard deviations only fifty and heavier so our average. It is so like the lower number the lower the number closer your results are going to be and so his numbers are pretty well. It's numbers are pretty are words Brady and Brees or about eighty. Which I know you got a question or doubt which. Which are saying is I guess in layman's terms is a his games are typically are about the same. And as I think about it off the top of my head Jeff I'm thinking that might make that decision as to whether to extend Cameron out a little bit easier in other words. He doesn't have big highs and big loads what you're CN is what you get. And maybe you make your decision based on what you get you make that decision based and can we tolerate or get would you agree with that Jeff. I would absolutely Graham ran over the last one of our gains in pretty much know what he's bringing to the table. He's got his legs. He's. He's going to be one negated a cancer which animate these huge dirt thing he can do with her and she can't do very well. You are you really know what you're gonna get tired or I think I don't. See how people unless he completely enclosed door or it's or game or. Just pros 400 or four games and although I don't I don't doubt that the next four games are gonna Wear your decision one way or another. We actually have a sweet and and I don't know if you had this in your. In your stats or if you know this all the top you but. How many of those quarterbacks in those 25 their first one in five games. How many when he drives of each of those quarterbacks have what is he ranked as far as that. It's first game mourning jerk didn't grab those numbers aren't. I do get a look at I didn't break it down but I did grab wall when loss statistics. Come. And Tyrod does enrolled stepped up to while we're on the charters were already dead don't breach -- to lose the first two years. But it drew the other three Corbett serve first two years they all add the old one Super Bowl ring. And they all they don't want these two thirds of the game. Or Tyrod right now we just air over 500. And one other point of comparison would take founded Christine his. Completion percentage a little bit lower than I guess most of us expect it would it would be compared to those of the quarterbacks that you discuss that and wonder then asked if something new with. The former head of the buffalo offense they're not a you you know like the standard West Coast offense they're gonna try to keep guests. Or at least try to. Yeah it. Yeah an eight day air BR apartment on the speaker it is it is. It's a real cigarettes and aerial and this defect at our writers the world about seventeen of 27. It actually. Roberts speaks a lot to what we've donated last year by. Yeah it's sound. It probably would help from the get her a little bit higher because it probably in Monte child being that it might need to re already in a bit. But then again it speaks to his inability to pass over the middle. And end should struggle with the short throws. It's it's really. These are things that we know what tyra what you are owners. What you see is what you get and we've it to contain things we've seen over lawyers on right. We steps. Pretty much what we can expect more toward the. One more thing it has to do with really where they are their careers and you know we don't know Tyrod back story you know the four years in Baltimore with the ravens and it turns out he is approximately when the others you know Brady Brees Roethlisberger Russell Wilson when they got 2526. Starts into their careers it's not as if Tyrod is. A lot older that right. Were idea except. My rock as her words since he got force and why don't you as such now wire eats he was 23. After her second event. The other three were 25 pirates want seven. So he's not. I'd I do worry a little bit because people like much on his leg and we know we're running bear or at least we certainly see it decline. Once state circuit dirty birds. Yet. There are the top three guards on the west all of their mid thirties are still playing better than ever. But that and made it clear that he could see something a bridge chips later on in the career if if he can it is our goal and didn't do it again you're dead hackers were needs to be on the short rows he can still he could he could still stay around if you are forced to rely on the lights use much he has. Don't step out one last question four before we let you go and all these guys have to do these studies on you know which one of these guys would you say. Had the best. Team around them complement of weapons everything full team around them. As far as the offense goes I really like. I didn't. Drew Brees hit Pete Best player we're supporting incumbent. Who's possibly top Taiwan and difficult time. I'm the best team top to bottom new doors Tom Brady's patriots. Even though he didn't really care of the weapons. Aegis obviously the coaching and I did airport ground a couple of wondered where are under catch seasons. And the defense really helped them win. I'm I would say breached probably get the most help he just because it's common sense. What via ER urges were always have been a while we eat team even looked Marshawn Lynch those are. They're receiving corps was pretty deep trouble locking. Arms. Doug Baldwin may occur then out Pittsburgh was kind of the same thing herald web part Heinz award but Errol is a pretty well we're on the court. It Jeff fits it's pretty interesting study got my attention over the weekend even though and I'll point six starts in the tyrants career. And thank you very much for doing it thanks for coming on the show today to discuss it with this we appreciate it. And a problem and serene thanks for government. Okay Jeff potter is contributing writer at the buffalo rumblings buffalo rumblings that count. He's got to study analytic study basically statistical study Tyrod Taylor 25 starts out as he compared the best in the NFL. You may be surprised by that and look and we're gonna get the phone calls here Burnett and if that weren't built a case for Tyrod Taylor in fact I think Jeff studies article. Donald raises as many questions as answer you know I mean agrees are there particular it's it's good because it gets you think a little bit and and we note that the Tyrod Hillary she was red but he does it turns out Tyrod does pretty well and some of these categories. Not so well and others including sex and what is not major US question and actually somebody tweeted a couple of things on major. Fourth quarter comebacks non majors in this study I guess there's a way to do that it's not included in here tyrants not a twice in his place and start a people look for more than I get there. Be improved I guess the ceiling can you really have to imagine that. I think it does the beautiful thing about the study that Jeff is done in the article he wrote about it is that. It offered fuel a kind of window and I think and that's where he is now what's the ceiling and you know obviously the ceiling for all of these guys greedy agrees Roethlisberger Wilson. For potential all things Israel in I would think. You know after their first 25 starts the Super Bowls could you name them is you know superstars in the in the making I don't know maybe the ceilings that they're for tyrant that's. The big question in the evening again this is an intangible. This Tyrod make players around him better as the players are right you'd be hard pressed to say yesterday answer right now but if I do think this is a pretty valid comparison at least a starting point of discussion. I really think we we get so caught up in. The quarterback of today but dec Prescott's of the world these guys that come in even in RG three you know Andrew Luck these guys are common in their first year and they light it up you write and so that's what we look for like why can't we get that quarterback that comes in as a rookie. It is lights it up but I think we also have to. Take into account that a deck Prescott has a very good team around me he really has a very good offensive line he has a very good running back a couple of running backs on that team. He has very good wide receivers and they've been on the on the field together all year you know suffer Dez Bryant has been out but they have other guys that get it done form. Cam Newton. RG three add to what these guys have receivers are right about that get it done. For them now Tyrod hasn't had those that the saints had a receivers in the lineup I'm all year. And so you can say that's one of the reasons why but at the same time he does he. He misses the rules he missed his receivers going down into the few. He won't grow certain throws and also he has a lot of room for improvement but. Mikey said meant Tyrod has what 27 years old now so you wanna see him start to make these improvements with his arm because he's he's an old he's he's getting up there and I mean the quarterback you as you complete plea for votes in twelve years. But he won't be able to run the same way we're notes in the Soviet so yes the start to make these improvements with his arm. I don't know if you have that time. As far as here in buffalo right for him to allow him to make that improvement with his arm because people wanna win. Yet it's in question no news no doubt about that. And get Wynette I'm not the you are building a case for Tyrod but I do think when you start some hard thinking about what to do with the quarterbacks in the future I think this is useful. Here's what these other guys did their first 25 starts and by the end of the season it'll be what thirty starts for Tyrod Taylor pretty good basis on which to form a judgment. A judgment which I have not reached yet. I think it. All of those guys I mean there was one down that list. That that was more for running quarterback when he got into the lead and he's improved Russell Russell Wilson right and he's improved in throwing the ball and I even when he was running. He was scrambling to throw you know he may can be clicked and the biggest thing was he's he'd never lights up. The scoreboard as far as stats that he never lights up but he will make a huge growth in key point in the game that really helps that team now and then on talk about Russell Wilson. And the rest of those guys do that as well that's why we talk about it quarterbacks are going to be measured on. Game winning drives in fourth quarter comebacks and things like that you've only seen two out of tyra and that's what people. Like the morning do you gotta you gotta beat teams with the arm you can't run it all the time you have to be able to make rules and we games with the arm especially in the fourth quarter. The lot here including the just the basic. Quarterback ratings first 25 games this is written before the opening game Tyrod Taylor's quarterback rating personally by it starts 94 point two. OK Russell Wilson 99 point three. Ben Roethlisberger in 99 even averaging ninety Drew Brees for a one time gain 73 point three so. He's in the mixer let's talk about a little bit 8030550s. And number Ralph calling from Atlanta go ahead Ralph you're on the air. About the definite guys thank you for take off all cost here. I tell you what ethnicity and go with Tyrod made make the decision themselves two we panicked I checked all those communities hit him buck well. Is that the topic Quebec in buffalo but. Thought the new quote of January so Buffalo's not even art. I mean you've announced in your cities and the it's that there abrupt. Okay the biggest thing I have with the the analysts that he became public when you look at the numbers in and not a surprise on par with the guys that he mentioned but. Those guys came into built guys were rookies these guys like Tony. 2120. Years though. Look at it highbrow I was 2627. Who use them for years haven't sent to watch him sit. And to compare those numbers almost like that it is feeling right now I mean how much better can be really get as far as making brief. Scene whole field. I mean I'd just don't release you get any better than what it is right now out. And that's the big question I've Rosie O'Donnell and I had to have this discussion a lot I kind of I don't count soldiers against him in terms of the should be better than this because he wasn't playing like he was not starting. A lot in his early career and I I don't count those years against some down I think you field. I do I think. When you're sitting behind a starter and your practicing everyday you playing pre season games your learning from. You know I guess the guy that's arguably one of the best in the U won a Super Bowl with that team. You know what that guy does week in and week out to win games on the stand at your game is totally different than his but at the same time. You you're learning in those four years and then when you get your opportunities start now is is your time to take over I mean you look at a guy. You'd look at a guy who set behind somebody and Aaron Rogers he set behind Brett Farr for some years when he came in. He took over you know he took over and he was like this is my team and they me he was a franchise quarterback in the no winners who perform all this stuff. And I think he really benefited from sitting behind. Brett Favre for those years you just learn a lot you know totally I mean. They kind of have the same style of play in Tyrod until Flacco doesn't but at the same time when you sit behind us minding your learn. When you step in in your fifth sixth year has in now you've become a starter you're expected to win. And you're expected to make certain throws. I'd say put them though I have Sidney Poitier and I think that the place to be batted in the fact that they put a Muller with part numbers being compatible. Mean think that it should be better that's what I got misinterpret what I was saying. I'll note mean I don't know about that I got to think about that because that you didn't play much. Drew Brees set down his first year you know he played one game I think his first year in San Diego. So Tyrod had a three more years of essentially an activity on top of that and I guess that you're seeing rough you expect more from a guy who's been in the league that law. I would expect more I was I think even meant watching having experience. You know that you know he had a lot of time and watched and observed any elected they didn't get a lot of playing time but. Still I think I would imagine it's symbolic that I bought my apple Debian on this football team. Just expand what the reforms would be a look at ballpark. You know that we get ran out of touch regression and except on last year to this year is. I don't know. Okay metro experimenters. Justin in Delaware I just go ahead. Our or. In an at all Bulger to call it what it is the small. Hitler delight yet there's a find it funny you know that many people want to criticize Tyrod more then other artwork he might know that. Are the quarterback quarterback wolf as the most black and what did he hasn't played a support what he brought good. Are you also look at a lot of game in your yard deep and you think they get but it. Yeah we signed up in Seattle but I ballot after letting them yet thirty point. The men are are are then trying to bet he'd get with everybody else in the line and it. I'm not feel like he's getting too much of the flak when he. Other quarterback out there like rock out while they're really holding it C oxygen. Marat not doing that. Let's and I. I did it you know we've talked about the defense. The defense has been very consistent over over the course of this season they've given up a lot of points and those guys deserve a lot of flak. But the quarterback is always gonna get that because he's the quarterback and when you're not making certain the Rosen and you're not. A lot of people feel like you're not. You're not I guess driving this team back to win games in the fourth quarter but you're going to be criticize about it especially when. You know to the untrained I people can see. That is missing receivers you can see that this guy's open my uniting people and see a guy wide open that you don't hit down obviously he's gonna get. A lot of scrutiny he is because he's a quarterback but Tony there are the defense deserves a lot of scrutiny as well everybody. Expert Richard caller we continue this discussion and talk more about the bills where they're that we got all the minds open it. 80305. Fit your toll free 1888. By fifty to 550 and we want it and revisit the Twitter poll talk a little bit more about the probable. Because we're a week away from the end of fans battling for the Pro Bowl this year why don't we because most deserving to be in the Pro Bowl. Currently on the bills' roster that's our. Putter Bolden is up right now we've got more than 600 votes and so far most conservative mean the pro ball for the bills to surgery you say it was Jon Voight 67%. 18% say Lorenzo Alexander 9% stake Richie in fact you know 6% state Zach brown there is a notable absence there. I can't believe we could put up there. And we're gonna talk about them back after the break John Murphy show presented by no go from one bills drive a Buffalo Bills remove. From one bills drive quiet Tuesday at one bills drive a bills players off the lead back tomorrow start the practice week a good chance that Ronald Darby. Might be able to play against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday he came out of the NFL's. 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John Murphy show presented by no go with Donald Jones weird vibe at one bills drive we are deep. Into quarterback talk we think Jeff potter for joining us let's double the minutes or so with his statistical analysis of a the Tyrod Taylor and his first 25 games to compared to a some of the other got a couple of tweets on this Paul Hill how many of the one to back games tyra played without the number one on one number two wide receiver. Yeah I mean we don't have an answer. But it's definitely factor who's been around him. That you saw a tweet that somebody sent in about what this was in a pristine appoint the person to move evidently the do you have that handy here. About the Madden. Now. Can all get everybody to get somebody wants Obama wants tyrant to stick around because he's a fund learn what to net new isn't the when I read off go. I'm not sure about the game and growth yet how to Sosa please ask him how many game winning drives each of those QB had QBs had in those 2.5 games compared to tyra. And then they said. I guess there rapist murderer Russell Wilson has 64 quarter comebacks. Brady had three and Tyrod has to tie around breeze it's okay so that answers that question a couple of other tweets on this. And one here. Oh good deliberate constant optimism just has made this constant pessimism Taylor is not an above it each quarterback and never will be clear as day. I think we're trying to sort through the cleaners they part look he is not clear I don't mean literally have receivers. We understand his limitations as far as throwing the ball but he doesn't have his guys out there so I can understand. Why he's not throwing the ball at the same time you wanna little boy this is so many different variables and factors that go into this thing so as not release. Clear it's that the same time. You see what do you see woody is indeed you know he is would together have you made at that. Term or you know citizens are so man it's tough to really evaluate this and I think of all the points that Jeffrey Hunter made in his statistical analysis the one that maybe resonated most with me is affected there's. Not much deviation between tyrants best games in his worst games. We are seen Tyrod Taylor through these 26 NFL starts right you can probably make a pretty fair valuation at the end of the year. As to what you're getting so if you feel like you've seen enough you're probably. Do I think in the next four games tyrant gonna become a different quarterback I don't think so because as Jeff Carter pointed out the numbers. And as far as they go the numbers show that there's not much difference for God's eyes and as well. He's not gonna do anything different. And these next four games. Then he has already in his first point six starts you know he's gonna play how he plays. And even with having I mean you I haven't good game if he can get robber was back this week and he has Sammy on the field as well you might see. A better game passing maybe he'll take some more shots and throw the ball in the certain holes but at the same time. He has what he has many Tony six starts he's used seeing what he is we've seen what he is and I guess the question is. Even if this team was to win out they end up in the playoffs is that something is that enough from him in his first what will that the third thirty starts. To persuade doe Lillian restaurant in those guys the sun there. Policy that again decision comes after the season there's no indication at all that they're gonna make a quarterback switch this week depending on what happens down the stretch to receive it. Hum but it's worth it's definitely worth talking about we talk about with you at 8030550. Or outside buffalo told free at 1888550. To 550. Or on Twitter Twitter pulls up who's most deserving Buffalo Bill to be in the Pro Bowl right now over 600 votes then and 67% say Shawn McCoy. 18% say Lorenzo Alexander 9% Richie Incognito 6% see Zach brown. I don't dismiss him from that list how would you have had a week we should put about there's an option. We sort of I don't mean because he doesn't racked up big numbers and all the does is play and play well and simply consistently on dozens. His play simply will not he he makes plays consistently I mean he's a guy. An epic is because he played defense to tackle. He's a guy he he's always in the backfield he's always making keep please. Com and he does it every single week but it's not like crazy plays that you remember. You know like you see the end like will MacKey coming around a sensible want to negate the tackles don't get that same level recognition. Like at defense have been a linebacker we'll get. So that's why we you know sometimes forget about Kyle and we talk about Marcel so much he changed the game and so. Lou will forget about tablet how comes the play every single week. He's been in the Pro Bowl are ready so we all know once in a pro will once you keep going if you haven't decent seasons. And he's having a good year this year so I'm a big QB ended up in the pro William and you know the Pro Bowl voting is a comedy two votes from fans players and coaches and if he doesn't. Get support of the fans around the league I am certain that players and coaches around the leader they will are well aware. Of how Williamson on the kind of season he said here's a call from RB go at army earlier this. I guys thanks for having man. Yeah I know Williams was my vote. You know not because I'm such an expert that because. Every time I watched the bills and TV drip bursting the announcer says or Kyle Williams he's steady he's good. And they're very steady guy very solidly. With our old people like. Yeah you definitely wish your whole team with on the play every single week in play every single play every single snapped. And recent quarter. Everything you have the same way that how does cows estate guy he's he's a grinder you know he's won the islanders Monday night. He's one of those guys that comes comes word every single week in and he does this thing. A couple of things yet viewpoint about that the network announcers that you losses. They LC he's very underrated they say it's a Muncie. It's amazing that he's underrated at all yeah OK yeah pretty sad your underrated them Muir a underrated more at. And everybody we talk about but the they also underrated right about that the fire from crests in Oneida hello Chris. Right. Sorry it took a little while I was. Just my bot. That's. It is awesome city and yet my. Well my. I'm partners what I actually admit how leave it to my boss he's got to live within your boss an excellent. What about all. Up to England my original college because playmaker asthma but I really wanted to touch on all quarterback situation real quick picture thoughts on that. Do you think. The thing EJ got a fair shake. You know we talk while you guys talk about locker I listened to. A time. It was kind of a weird situation with the whole morale and saying I mean we talk about 26 gains that we compares that. I don't think it's necessarily fair to compare those 21 BJ come league as a rookie and obviously you're talk about Tyrod DNA. You know a backup for four years in Baltimore you know is that fair. You know to compare those two wouldn't and I you know I just a few decades ago and and turns Herschel somewhere else. But I really want to talk about defense. You know he's he's so many guys have all watched a lot of football league guy who just black you know that that Max. Of our Miller's. You know that the channel drones you know guys like that I'm not the end. It is well consistently district what that man off the line of scrimmage I know Kyle Williams will do it but he does have more you know what is Andy. You know. Joke and it out and who knows GAAP as quick as Scotland and and I'm glad I don't get me wrong about. Destroying the heartbeat and and I think you can both agree it is you know Ron Chapman. Net three man rush they played this past week do you think that's a real recipes that the first X-Factor. Could you get our guys down in the box increased more one on one go out from our playmakers there's to try to make a difference because. Gear used come up yet. Lorenzo Alexander most of the time when they're having their success is when there's you know 45 guys Russian and are able to play that guy one on one. You know. Cars they said rack and it. You know he's quick to throw the ball if he gets under pressure. You gotta get pressure on a regular pro ball in Maine back on the fact that velocity down no gain in England. Who I I think the one thing you secrets is you have to match I mean if the raiders are on with three wide outs which they did most of the game. Hum you got ahead defensive backs typically write you gotta have fiber or six if they're gonna have three wide outs and so that limits the number pass rushes and I think Donald it to answer Chris questioned the the key to the buffalo defense having success is to rush the passer with. With four and if yes you can disguise blitzes you can disguise looks butchery wanna get their pressure without throwing a lot of. And and they weren't able to do that right you know and it's. It's not even like getting sacks everybody wants tickets acts but just getting in his face get him off as mark you know have bodies is all around his feet you know mostly he's he's not comfortable back there. You don't expect to get sacks on the team because they have accused off of the money he gets the ball. But you don't wanna get some pressure and they when he was sitting back there and able to throw the ball deep down the field you know he's sitting back there wing in doesn't pummel them on double walls and things like that you shouldn't. Shouldn't have that so. You would like to see a lot more pressure from this defense of for a a consistent basis because. If an immediate move forward especially especially this week. With the Roethlisberger I mean you don't need to get pressure you don't need to bring into the ground you gonna have a hard time bringing him. I mean the UREP. As tremendous escape ability and doesn't go down that without any puts up a fight April with a guy on his back after that it downfield so it's. You wanna see these guys get a lot more precedent and as of late they hadn't been able to keep that same pressure that they were given earlier in the season from certain guys even from the guys that you always expected in Jerry Hughes he hasn't he I mean. I don't even remember him in the last couple games. And as that he hasn't really been making those big plays like you would expect that your users make with his skills that you know veterans those still listening at the beginning of the season. He hasn't had a cup he hasn't had sex in these last couple agency needed guys to step it back up in the needed in these last minute call from Anthony in north. I want to know anything. Look a little and the new car and I think as I read this there's definitely another another year. For the bills. I don't know at what I large semi human primate could I see a guy who entire route and they edit they get that Jim. And preliminary and I just think that all the injuries when wide receiver and you can't really connect you know Sammy comes at a while we can expect. Under would be you know you can't do that when you have a guy that practiced with two every day do on the wraps and I was making. I look at it solo playing. And act so deep and this game that I'd be sent a genius I don't. And the defense is very hard to blanket and we do have some hundred million dollar player on that line and doing their part. Internet and gently you know I just mop up for. A with the focus but at the when I get that break or come back the John Murphy show with Donald Jones get them locked in a little bit better final segment of the show. Company alive from one bills drive on Buffalo Bills radio. Murphy show on both. And now what have we learned from today show it's presented by advance alarm providing western Europe's homes and businesses with a finance and security and home theater the preferred. Alarm and home theater provider of the Buffalo Bills we had Greg bishop Bob from Sports Illustrated dot com who wrote it pretty pristine piece about Monday the recovery deeper NFL players. Greg bishop talked about how important ideas and the NFL works get. They are universally said that when they were younger they did very little of Monday's. It would go to the movies or play video games. As they got older and as they got more occurred and that they had more things to take care of they developed a routine that was more preventative you know a lot of these guys. Give the Dodgers when that's not her you know do they want they're looking to be in place for when something happened. Greg bishop from Sports Illustrated dot com Jack Watson joins us on the show today the bills first round draft pick the outside linebacker from Clemson now is played in six different games and he talks about his transition from the college game. To the pros and now he has done in his first half dozen games. Our full recovery period is jesus'. Is that from a lot of Jesus and Mary please post in a note and in the ground and plan that you are solemn birchard. Chose this for colleges became our faster. Of Gaza a lot more better. Home of a like because you love bitterness priority now is an affair also. These. Game every week beyond what it keepers workers. Shaq lots of talk with him and he'd ever larger role to play titled moving forward. What is it 45% of the defense of snaps this past Sunday and I wouldn't be surprised to be goes over the 50% mark this week yeah we plan expert. I think they do a thing you know they see him on the field making plays he's been able to hold his own he's the as a couple sacks lead this year. He's helped on the run game as well you know you see him tracking down reverses and things like this I would think his role was getting Kris. More more I think they also want to. Helped Lorenzo and these guys that are a little bit older you know these guys are playing a lot of snaps and he studies the hamstring issues rentals went on defense. And he's plan on special teams. And I think he needed to house O'Malley to have a guy sacked the first round talent getting in the air and actually holding his own I think is help veterans only keeping him a little bit fresh. To play on everything. You know who does not have a role to play anymore you know this obviously Percy Harvey and to let you lead yesterday the bills announce that he went out. Injured reserve non football injury it's called. I season is over and you know I can't help but feel sad for Percy arming I think even sitting right over here in our studio when he first came back enough. November I think it was right on the person remember how excited he was he came out of retirement looking to get back into the game body was going to be able to do it meant. Seemingly out of nowhere after San a year ago that his migraine issues behind him he comes up with migraines again and Andre what does this what has an Illinois. I don't know he was he was definitely. A great talent in this sleet you know and and as schools back to guys really deal with a cast seems suites out there of people talking about. He's you know he just rob the bills. You know like the Mormon you'd like you on the stand this guy really has. Issues with his head you know he had played football obviously wasn't dealing with those issues until he got back into. When now he's hitting people you get back into their contact and you start to see these things creep back up. You don't know what somebody's really dealing with in their head you can't I mean that's not something that you can see obviously. I tell you this this guy loves to play the game. You know nobody's gonna just retire or or step away or continuously say. I got a migraine now on the practice today I don't want a plane is being team players don't do that you know they want to play and so he's still with so this series I hope that he can. It is hell together and then I'll do the right move forward. Big picture the bills were not on the hook for a lot of money into an NFL terms for the army and they were in dire or desperate straits when you play makers when Sammy was still that back. Saw I don't fault the bills either protect the flyers it was a it was a chance that they took it didn't work out Hartman played would receive a couple of games two passes six yards which you can be more in which while he's healthy and and happy the rest of his like I was so well I think. I hope the same thing I hope be can he can enjoy his life moving forward. Regardless if he ever plays football in and a I just want to be able to move forward and not deal with those migraines and innocent though all right well we got another show coming up tomorrow at twelve noon Steve cancer will be here in studio with this lupica Rex Ryan Wednesday news conference that. Hear from some of the players after the Wednesday practice and start to turn the page. 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