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Thinks he's not John Murphy show. These these Doug John Murphy show. All welcome welcome to the instigate a welcome John Murphy show presented by -- alive John Murphy joined by Michael's Donald Jones you'll ever there no. Six. What you need you need an extender for. Your blood flow but you know we've been working with less for forever so. All I was doing. Not here I'm talking about me you know. And not allow okay death we're here and Donald be okay and we're going to be okay we wanna hear you make sure you're okay give us a call 8030550. The number. Were told free from outside buffalo 1888552. By fifty. On the show today Thursday right now the bills are on the practice field on the other side of the wall over there the the at pro sports field house if you listen real close to hear that the music companies and who's going to be this dispute by percent. I snapped up when it's a different when it bumps again we will look quite down and let you have listen for yourself. Because it seemed kind of an upbeat practice the start of practice anyway. A coming up on the show today we'll have the latest from bills practicing injury reports etc. coming up at 1230. Our body might unity of spot trek dot com it is a analytics web site that deals with. Contracts NFL contract sports contract. My two and any has done a pretty thorough analysis of the contract extension that allies on the table for Tyrod Taylor we're gonna talk with him coming up at 1230 today just about that. You know whether to sign or not I don't know if that's Mike's that's my strong suit what the contract contains. What it would mean financially camp wise what it would mean for Tyrod what it would mean for the bills. That's what wanna talk with my community about he's going to be joining us today at about 1230 and then article here's what we hear breaking down the numbers for Tyrod Taylor's. Option might unity of spot tracked that down will be joining us at 1230 to do that force coming up at 1 o'clock but he Ruben Brown joins us in studio. Rubin here to talk about the bills won thirty and other bodies I Craig wolf fleet. Wolf from the from Orchard Park native he's in the greater buffalo sports all the pain is the silent reporter on the Pittsburgh Steelers radio network. We'll get great wolf please thoughts on the Steelers Buffalo's opponents the Sunday. After practice practice should be over about 145 or so. Will go to the podium here Rex Ryan's update on the Thursday practice update on the injury report. Expect to hear from the coordinators Dennis Thurman on the defense and then Anthony Lane on the offense and then according plant those left tackles get to join us at 230 today so a lot on that we want to keep you with us here today talked to bill football in the NFL. Phone lines open at 8030550. Or toll free 1888550. To 550 are you OK you know those of magical and a little surgery without knowing that you're obviously yeah he's got a little pin downs nothing got to you know likewise you make things aren't we just suspend the show on what you work you know what let's do this to mr. fix it over here. Until scholars know to think one thing on the the docket today. Donald I want to bring this up because. You know we we take calls all week after the terrible loss and open in. If you know and it drives me crazy when people write off the bills' playoff chances before there officially over. I know the slim. I know but stranger things have happened and and if you want a bailout and I thought it might be instructed to be Donald to take kind of a hard edged mathematical looked at exactly what the bills' playoff chances are. And there's a website at 538 dot com does amazing work its Nate Silver works in conjunction with the lesbian but is he from buffalo to know we opened up at that New York Times and yet. He doesn't meeting projections on elections on a regular basis indicted and are about this past presidential anybody at a pretty strong record of forecasting winners. Probably up until a month ago. But it's over from 538 dot com has put it has a regular NFL predictions. Analytics. Breakdown. He's got pop. A bills with a 10% chance of making the playoffs whoa. When I know for me what you think of that there was a call 8030550. The number outside buffalo tool free 1888550. To fight fifty. 10% chance to make in the playoffs the average simulated season for the bills according to Nate silver's projections. They would end up with eight point seven win so essentially nine wins. And seven point three loss in Iowa have been trending towards an adult licensees does that go up after when this week yes always changes yes and that's the beautiful thing about makes over it's a weekly in this case of the NFL. It's a weekly update based on you know when probabilities in and a predictions regular season and playoffs updated after every game so sure. Yes it definitely changes might hear from you today and it's a topic of our Twitter poll as well. What do you think the chances are for the Buffalo Bills to make the playoffs you know make silver and 538 to act now puts the bill's chances at 10%. Of making the playoffs what do you think their chances are. It would give me if nothing else give me a better sense of where our fans are at where our listeners are at. Because based on many of the phone calls we get it sounds like people who vote thrown in the towel but the website 538 dot com by 38. If the bills at 10% chance at the playoffs before what are you going into Lola I'm gonna say that most of the fans will say. Anywhere from. That we have zero to 10% from like that yet. Well yes. I'm sure that's that the policy with in the lead but I'm minutes and that's okay we don't have a Twitter already right now but you can now weigh in by a Twitter at John Murphy show where you enough bonus up at 8030550. Or tool free. 1888550. To 550. Bills went up playoff probability when he think it is go to the Twitter poll vote their we'd love to hear your voice though. New York Times as the playoffs simulator in our Internet. James got up and checked on that so and if you haven't said if you're into this kind of stuff the near times simulators pretty cool right now the New York Times has the bills with a 6% chance. But make in the playoffs they beat Pittsburgh those chances go up to 10%. If the bills went out. And finished with ten wins they have a 33%. Chance of winning according to the New York Times playoffs and later those are what the hard edged numbers say. We wanna hear what you say give us a call 8030550. The number. Outside buffalo toll free 1888552. By 51 of the bill's chances of making the playoffs you know Donald I'm gonna get your thoughts. I you were to say about what the fans might think based on some are calls I would agree with the bands might say zero to 10% I would put it somewhere between ten and and 20%. Because I know the the 538 this simulation. Factors in home games it's mostly about who you're playing. Again I'll that I just think the with the bills what they cannot factor and it wouldn't think. Are the returning their players to the buffalo roster this week we anticipate the Robert Woods will be. Ronald garbage should be I think there's going to be an influx of some talent on this buffalo roster in the week and in the weeks ahead. And I think it might think their chances a little bit better so I put it somewhere between ten and 20% Buffalo's chances what about you. For me I'd have to go where rate now I'd probably have to go with. 530 dot com or New York Times. Until they win this week even with that influx of talent I think we still have seen this defense let us down too many times. I'm I think we've seen. You know tyra not be able to do. What we all woman to do throw in the throwing the ball hitting open receivers in key points of the game. So right now I have the side with the New York Times in the 538 dot com only because the bills different factors that they can win this week. That would change for me and obviously would change in the numbers and everything but it would just give me a lot more confidence in this team go for. Well okay so what six to 10% precincts in eggplant some. OK let's hear what the listeners have to say 8030550. Or toll free one. 888550. To 550 it is bracket north I don't wanna go ahead Gregor on the year. Hey guys do not really that is about LA every year you know six games ago or game Guatemala. Look here's a standing and pulling out all the possibilities. And I figured it is it's not an certainly not an outside chance at all. You don't have to do their job and now which it's possible that argue the real quiet middle in and they've got to be Pittsburgh at all. But you know after Pittsburgh you look at Miami at home. Jets on the road we win it all before they go though those three are winnable game is not. Are such that they could win born or role. And again backing up Pittsburgh would be huge because Pittsburgh a team they might end up tight. For the wild card now if they back up they do window ask or that the victory over Miami. And that's when you and that Miami yes of course played New England so it's certainly not par that that wouldn't my image to lose two games. And up. Moved out two lead the bills and a tiebreaker. Because that it would go to division record agree agree and then the bill would have a better conference record that would ultimately taking tampered ought to. When they lose into in within the buffalo. So that eliminated Miami and get this past Pittsburgh. And the only problem areas is that and if you look at Denver's schedule. Going down the stretch it is that our parents to think that they're gonna go to into. And or even one intrigue when they figured that the raiders Kansas City and I believe that another tough game mixed up in yourself. All I know and those who have and yet I look at the you know it and not Kansas City or garden they're gonna take these are wild cards originally sports teams. Racing or Bentley at wild cards are the builder in there. They'll do their job they've won order rubble or. Are they go for no then I think they've got a very very good chance. Beating out those other preteens because of the divers search. Yeah let's I wanna talk about this for second is Greg itself so you don't have worked it by the way the work that you've done is done. You'll mathematically by 538 and by the New York Times playoffs simulators so I salute you for putting pen to pace paper in two and all that. You say they went off for it they got a really good shot and as we said the New York Times simulator says that they went off or they've got a 33%. Okay I I can accept that. The but the one thing boiling it down and I guess I don't haven't on the detailed work it like it's out you have. The two critical components it would seem to me our pay the bills when he now. Which is that's number one which is you know and certainly not given the way they played up and down this year and certainly not the way they played the last 3 weeks I am winning out. Is maybe that the toughest thing at them. The second thing but it seems to me would be the Denver Broncos losing two right. Because of the pills went out they would hand Pittsburgh loss it would and Miami the losses. That he talked about in the going to be tomorrow too but. That that they need mostly went out and maybe secondarily they need the Broncos lose two of their right final four and general agreement. Or. Yes I think we might have that for the video viewers had to remind him that's vigilant given in front of Ugoh. Greg the Broncos last forty over the plan. And I'm at and listening to England and that's right that game but it's unlikely that we're gonna lose to a yeah. To I mean. For me I'd have to agree is not unlikely that. Denver will those two of those games first of all we'll see is that two of the top teams in that conference tonight Oakland and Kansas City I do think that. Denver will end up losing two of those games I do I think the patriots. Are in a position right now where they want home field advantage and they are right the neck and neck with the raiders and so they are playing hard and I think. New England has a better team and there's like to see New England beating Denver and then I'd you know I think that Oakland and Kansas City are both better teams in. Then Denver and I can see at least one of those teams coming out. With the victory over Denver so that's due to losses for Denver. But I will continuously go back to. This team right here in my Johnson to have to win out obviously you have to win your next four games. Starting with this when against the Pittsburgh Steelers and the way this team has played over the last two weeks even in those two wins against the jaguars in the bay angles. They are not convincingly. Like they don't win convincingly right now and then last week to give Hubbell a fifteen point lead against. The raiders and to lose the way they'd gave knowing what you had to do. Knowing that you need to win all of your game to give details as yourself a better chance at making it into the playoffs it just doesn't leave me. Or a lot of fans with a lot of confidence in the team is so we wanna see them. I just as win this week first and then we can talk about the playoffs. You know Tim rubles and what you have to win your games first and you gotta do it and I mean a win is a win. By men it's it's been tough has been so up and down so inconsistent with this team so you don't know what to expect week in week. Know somebody who we're talking about this this morning Donald and somebody said to us out. But doesn't matter wins tonight Oakland Kansas City and you know. Really doesn't obviously about it I mean I guess I'm conceding Oakland wins the Al west in Kansas City takes the first. The first wildcard now that could change but just the way they play in the way they're playing I think that's likely to happen right you can dead west Oakland and how easy we're number one wildcard to the kids. Agencies. I see both of these teams being in the playoffs I would think that Oakland win that division I mean yeah Oakland when that it is not just think they're better team Kansas City. Kansas City right now the way they are winning games you know there was I don't have this that's. But they're like in the twenties there it in the back half a dead heat and total offense and total defense. And so you know when you get down into this part of the season you would like to those numbers to be. A lot higher so there they have been winning in turnovers like they're like plus fourteen and turn over Mars and that's how they're winning their games you go back to last week against the falcons I mean it came up would be turnovers. So when meg game in Atlanta at the key point of the game to win it. I'm I just sociedad against Oakland now Oakland will Oakland will make mistakes. And that's the one bad thing about Oakland a defense is not that strong. And they will make mistakes the receivers drop passes you can't have that at this point of the season if you wanna be the team that mills wants of this of will be have to sort those things up. But I just think overall that Oakland is a better team in Kansas City but they are both. Two of the best teams in the AFC nasty tumble in and play. Talking about the bills' playoff chances mostly because. The go website 538 dot com did a statistical analysis of NFL predictions they've got the built with a 10% chance at the playoffs what you think their chances are. That's our Twitter poll that's their phone discussion item you can bring us up at 8030550. Or tool free 1888550. To 550. Or you couldn't do it on Twitter poll by 38 gives the bills 10% chance of the playoffs what do you think their chances are. More than 530 votes in so far and the majority 55% say zero. No chance. Think it is a lot more about Twitter than it does about the bills that the 48% say one to 10%. 14%. Say that the bills have a eleven to 49% chance in you know only 3% say they have a better than average age 50% or more. You know that the analysis is 10%. According to 538 I'm inclined to think it is somewhere around there look we're gonna ask you know if you wanted to use this opportunity. To vent your frustration. Here for that too. 80305 that the camera earlier Berkshire. Right I'm Tony generic tweets and 10% is accurate a neat will be our record. Thurman tweaks in that sounds about right they need to win out which is likely even if they do it's not a guarantee your right. Is a New York Times points out they went out that's only have a 33% chance these are all probability these are not. Actuality he's by the way. Built mafia tweets in Kabul with 1% crazy that the world play word playoffs has been talked about well. Maybe it's been talked about by the players on the other side of the wall over there they they know where they're at they've been here for all twelve games. You know what it's all about but there you know they're not given up in patriotism whether. Supporters. And here's an interesting tweet is this question for your personal entertainment one more year this BS and I'm Indian and all I can't take it. We are about suicide I regret that we need be called an auditorium for that and recruited. Epithet at 8030550. The number let's a take some more calls let's go to John in Niagara Falls hello John welcome. Good afternoon. Yeah I. Obviously. I got it around our perspective here. Sure I haven't had come down to like tonight's game especially. I wanna open to keep going with this only because it's gonna cry a New England they keep playing for their home field advantage on the schedule. Obviously Denver campus or out there the right they that you wanted to while art but that he got. Denver properly the Baltimore Pittsburgh division. Lugar could probably get a art. And then he got Miami mine weighed when when we seventeen. I dole obviously wanted to see a situation where doing a birdie hole deal locked up. And again it'll block tonight that come into play quite a bit beat the Oakland at an off game aside from tonight they got to play. In San Diego and Denver and against pinky. We might be Internet relate quite further division picket the butt out all right Oakland. Dropping a couple of games and on the final stretch and somehow getting New England. Into that position where even a loss at last week to Miami won't eat anything. It's ours they're all as are the whole field those parts. To write you know I need we need another Miami lock obviously. I don't know one the bills you are gonna need them. That's the point you would want that last game Miami and knowing that in Foxborough New Year's. You want that to mean something for knowingly and so that. The dolphins to local and iron and steel and easy victory in and it could play out that way I think grant I look at the dolphins right now there in the same position as the bills I mean the dolphins had everything last week going until last week. They were in the six spot to be in the playoffs and then for you to lose. 38 to six against the ravens I'm sorry like you. You don't have any need to make it in the playoffs in not that this team doesn't have it and them but they don't understand. What they had in front of the Miami was actually in the playoffs in the six spot that you lose 38 to six. I don't have confidence in that team even even though they play the cardinals the cardinals can beat them. They can they have the playmakers negated done. They have the jets. I'm about that you have that the bills obviously in the and you have knowing I don't think that the Miami Dolphins and I had a lot more confidence in them until last week that battle right now I don't think that the dolphins. We even be in. The position where we need the New England Patriots to beat him in week seventeen I think it's more on Denver having those two games that the bills can win out. I think it's more on Denver having those two games in Miami Dolphins. Needed them to move morning. There's golf from a John in Niagara Falls with because credit is gonna make a similar point right John. Are you there John. We are Michael argued it okay picture we heard it and I'll just for that. Phone lines open 8030550. The number told free from outside buffalo 1888. By fifty to 551 here from you what I think the bills' playoff chances are. If you can divorce yourself from the emotion and think logically. Maybe realistically about what their chances are I've again I would put it that somewhere in the what ten to fifteen to 20% range. The projection from 538 dot com puts it in the 10% range New York Times playoffs simulator puts it in the 6% range. So yes it's it's a slim chance I was. Incidents because they need help. But good teams that they need help from have tough schedules ahead of them you look at you look especially Denver they have a very very tough schedule I I do see them moves into games. But I always like I said. Ten minutes ago I will always bring it back to this team right now. As not playing with confidence. They are not playing. They're not playing strong in the games that Daniels he's got the bills yet death. And when you look at it moving forward starting with this week. Listen to Pittsburgh Steelers are a team that wants to be in the playoffs and they are a team that. Everyone going into this season was saying they are Super Bowl contending team and when you look at this team on offense. They have a high flying high power office they have guys that can get it done starting with the quarterback in the running back. Those guys get it done and they get it down the field Ben Roethlisberger can give it to his playmakers at receiver. He has multiple receivers is not only Antonio brown and have very good tidy and that has the ball as well so. This is a team that is going to be tough to be here on Sunday and at the bills don't understand that they need I mean I'm sure they understand that they need to get it done what they had to come out. Did on them early just like they did last week but they have to keep the pedal to the metal keep their foot on their throats and not let it slip away. Toughest game left on the schedule to be sure doubt you and I both had an opportunity now the last day or two to the look at little Steelers video I watched a couple of games yesterday last night. Com. I'm guessing there schoolyard offense they're not they know what to do and on offense but they have an uncanny ability unlike most team to see. Of making big plays out of potentially broken place that's bad that's Roethlisberger and it's it's pretty amazing to watch when you watch. You know a protection breakdown or you watched you know we have all the receivers are covered. The play's not over with rob Miller in that group because all of a sudden he'll get away from a pass rush get away from a potential sack. Keep his eyes downfield his receivers are well drilled well schooled in the knowing that. You might think displays over but it's not so be alert get downfield they mostly go deep when the play breaks down there and all of a sudden he finds just the second or two we've still got a a cannon for an arm and he launches it downfield and all of a sudden it's big play that's. Again it's not schoolyard stuff it's not brought up on the back of an Afghan but it's pretty amazing the improvisation often that they put today. I mean their acts erratically is the satellite data users run around they are running plays but what happens is when you win he gets pressured. You know he gets out of the pocket doesn't mean you can have someone hanging on he'll throw the ball on the arm. And and get down to feel because he has a very strong arm. And you know one of those receivers downfield come out with a big play if you do it more time if you do it enough about the game and throughout the season. Did he use that I would think that they practice the scramble drew more than any team throughout the league because. That's where so many of the B please come you know just to scramble drill now like I say they do Rachal played. And one of the biggest plays that they run to all of into our receivers as a wide receiver screen. And those guys that do with the ball in his hands they can run with the ball in his hands Antonio Brown Sammy tolls the rest of those guys can really run. The bills are gonna have to tackle. And they gonna happen everybody flies to the ball when they did. When they get Ben Roethlisberger I mean they get they get the go to the strip because it's tough to bring that guy down you gotta you have to go for the strip. You also in the process of going for the strip you can't dismiss them. And that's what you'll see you'll see guys go for mister or miss and and then he keeps the play going and gets the ball down at that I'm sure everybody wants to go for mr. because he he will formal. You talk about the wide receiver screen a couple of times against the giants someone there and they they put in Tony Brown. And the guys in front of him they set up like a bunch formation or tight ends you know the Gary's green in Jesse James. Those are big bodies they haven't from the Whitney got the ball variants in space so what's up inside it was a B. Right and and tight ends. You know they're like Lima neck and running debts you know and they like the block some titans like the black. And these guys will get it done it then they know they're only blocking DBs out there they're blocking corners and safeties. Against these tight ends in Antonio Brown is a guy who he seeks out a hole and once he has that whole he's gone and is there's not too many people that content and so. The bills will have their hands cut out form. At a have they'll have a tough the tough job this week. The one other thing about Pittsburgh and it as a watches in you know because I think is because of the uniforms. And the Super Bowls in the seventies and the reputation they have the reputation of being a big tough. Visible to me oh you are will be uniform yet not so it's not a black in net in gold. Defensively. They're okay. I I like some of what they do on defense like they're they're young rookie nose tackle. Hard grave like Camelot I don't think the linebackers are special I don't think the back into the defense or special. And there are opportunities here the buffalo office could ever you know. Sustained. Production you know they had a good spurt in the second and third early third quarter against Oakland last week if they ever get sustained profits of production. They get a chance to make more than a game on the say the chance to knock off the Steelers I think. You write it right to do that it's a big if not being you know having having robber was back on. On offense this week really helps out I think he's that comfort. Blanket that Tyrod Taylor he likes to get the ball and in key situations he will look for him outside I would think that. Robert Woods prep might play in this class on this week as well so you might see him catch the ball over the middle. And then having in this is we talked about this is the first time that we've had Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins on the feels as we too yeah I think there's going to be big to tyra but he still has to hit these guys yes the find them. And hit them when they're open and I think you will that's been the problem as the that is been the problem all year. Consistent for a while the bills are practicing as we speak. It's idea pro sports field house including Robert Woods. In his second days he comes back he was limited yesterday we'll get the practice report right from Rex Ryan misses the come off the field about 130. Or 145 or so to turn our attention to the quarterback. People talk about the quarterback to talk about Tyrod Taylor and talk about his contract the options bills have been. What the numbers look like with a guy who does nothing but study contract numbers might unity of spot cracked down to anybody join us just a moment. Iraq energy the sponsor of the studies game and given away and ought to read Jerry Hughes Eric Williams football as well as the not a reference you wreck than Jersey or details. The blue rock energy dot counselors go bills and it went today. Battle that I back with more moments John Murphy show from one bills drive a Buffalo Bills radio. Look back at show John Murphy and Donald Jones and are what Buffalo's studio we welcome those of you listening on our flagship radio station of buffalo. WG our sport for you find it in the view through Indianapolis I'm look at that image he we are. Warm and dry in the head pro sports field one buffalo studio. If you've made it through your first. Snowstorm that is now that you've been back. Ideas to deal with the first instance of him that wasn't its you know I didn't expect the wake up and he's known fossils like polls so what happened was. I I didn't have. A windshield thing that order is an apron and he knows and I'm from New Jersey dad refused. As it is I have I have in my hand one can put mine in in the car after the fourth two. And he's taken out of it you know I don't even know why didn't have once thought like a teachers like oh that's that's also on the my hands are freezing goes back. They have those available you know and I'm gonna have to go to war and gas stations. But it wasn't until it's a lot of you got to sort through the height be free to do Newton and that and we got an inch right maybe you're not part that we're told that the weather on Sunday it's gonna be okay chance of snow I think 50% chances though. Temperature in the low thirty winds ten to fifteen miles per hour by the way you're refereeing for Sunday's game is Pete Morelli did the bills' game and a wing and back on October 2. John Murphy Dow Jones that but the bills practicing on the other side including quarterback Tyrod Taylor Taylor with those. Weapons we talked about that he finally has Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins for the first time since week two. Lot of discussion this week setters in the media on Tyrod Taylor's future. And of course the the contract optioned the bills have. Coming up after the season and next spring joining us right now on the subway for a stake outlined is the co-founder and editor of spot tracked the web site that deals with nothing. But that contracts for NFL NBA Major League players NHL players' Major League soccer players salary cap management. I kept it to separate happy to have Mike unity orchard parks on on the lab at a time like the guitar given abducted while you don't. I doubt about it yet happy holiday issue Dow Jones is here this today it Pristina post that you had on spot trek about breaking down. The numbers for Tyrod Taylor's contract option. Mike when the bills signed that contract and Donald you're with this right back to training camp on a Friday afternoon a couple of weeks into camp a com. There was. Don't a lot of excitement about that deal. And now if you if you could have been able to dive into the numbers just give us a sense of you know war what that Patrick looks like and what the options are for the Buffalo Bills moving forward. Rezko it. It's fairly unique that you might go with you the kind of like your bridge that they use them here which I think. You may see going forward with other players. Kind of a unique that the built kind of structured here but really we're looking at going for yours is five years eat 2.5 million dollar. That basically the option. In its full value right now now we're talking NFL we're certainly not talking about 89 dollars were talking about. You know with a guaranteed money and what that means in terms of cap hit that peak we need it got there yet talked Patrick he is. Because they're that in Europe that you point out a new post nobody really. The full value was almost like PR right nobody really ever rarely anyway do they get to the full value contract for the entire term. It's a 100% PR and really John. But guaranteed money that part about it is a lot of a half and Garrett well you did not involve our public is guaranteed the second he signed that contract that's really what we need to talk about. You know initially and then don't know how much guarantee going forward is the second and by. But really the not a symbol of what I wrote is what happens on March 11 if and when the build exercise this option. Men in layman's terms in terms of the number what's going to happen is you're gonna see him. Get a twelve million dollar salary and a fifteen point five million dollar bonus kick in automatically for that effort here. And you're gonna be three point Q five of the 2018 celery kick in automatically interpret your. There you're looking at about thirty million dollars that the bill for term the cash in particular pocket right away if they exercise that option. And be that I don't wanna keep interrupt you but if you mentioned seven right at the outset about when that deal was done in August of and it essentially turned into it with the options. Made it a one year bridge deal which is kinda what this situation called for it if you if you look at it from the team perspective what is it wasn't. Ordered a question that it was an illogical path for him to get to the starting position here and argue that back up. They're both kind of acquired him as they ever meet each at a player let her to certainly worked out so it didn't didn't make sense to go pro am partner deal with you know 45 military keep like. What the numbers mean it said that they should have this community aren't really that compromise for them and I think for 10-Q. And I think you're gonna see a lot more or. Why do you say that didn't mean to the bills break new ground as far as that type of a what are bridge you what he thought. I don't know if it is it that broke out at and other player ever you know in the past I'm not sure quarterbacks have received that submission date prolific position. Money generally throwing around it at will and the Bill Clinton makes up the Green Day and. I now as this is this something. You know talking about a trend do you think this is something that you're gonna see movement for realistically. It could be I mean especially you you've gotten you lower draft pick guys that don't work coveted out of out of college that are hit in you know and I mean. You got guys like craft got hurt we certainly anomaly and you know there are pepper big money in your won yours so. But I but I do think it if you see guys that will grow what we what we're seeing here. Especially this coming create and use. You're going to be big name quarterbacks whether there you know older and being released or traded or only had a brief account average. You're gonna keep digging starting quarterback available which just so rare in terms of free agency so. But you think that the contract of the starting quarterback could do all the little bit and you're you're happy but we're all those guys play out. And certainly how Taylor situation played out. But really you know and welcome bout with that there are definitely keep growing the quarterback position is. Gonna be more more important and the money going to either. That this is something that you can see move before realistically like a trending thing is this something that you think will go over. Easily with the players and their agents I mean they're essentially taken. Taking a gamble on themselves it's kind of like being criticized. Yeah it really did. And and I guess the question is and Arlen grants that any reasonable wolf what would you prefer red which would you prefer the big fringe at number. Knowing that you know we've been we got to start over again next year work you referred. But decent amount eight. In your lawn knowing. That performance Kurt locked in you know 45 years that it might sell it money so I feel like this step up from the present today in terms of structure. I'm looking different but yeah it's just one of the worst situation of certain involvement here unwillingly. But I do think it could happen more often. Not sure eighties beloved obviously but certainly it is important to pick up my. Yeah Andy and Mike and just one more question on this topic the one year bridge type aspect of of tyrants contract I I think it's important to note that at the time and it looks different now but at the time back in August. I'm pretty certain Tyrod and his agent word. We did the agreement was yet you're underpaid lets get some money in your pocket now let's get you some cash right now that's from tyrants standpoint that's what this Patrick did this one year. Bridge type situation isn't it. No question in regard under contract for about 2000003 million Mac I mean that was simply that if the guy at any rate he earned it. Really that the option was. You know you're in an eight. And it could work in his favor but early to go back to that bridge you'll the when you get down into the not simple but you'd be context. Really what you're seeing. Properly is. A two or three year contract guaranteed money so when you talk about how are getting the one you're here you'll hook and then slipping into his pension. All of these quarterback deal is in the big one million reluctant and the big guys that there. They're only three year deal in terms of that guaranteed money but you never really talked about a fighters are you any. Right by two and Eddie our guests from spot trekked dot com he's done a complete breakdown of the Tyrod Taylor contract option that comes up next spring they might dump the one thing I think it. That I wanna hear you talk about a little bit is how. If the bills exercise the option key around. There's not really a major hit on this salary cap is or I mean it it appears that at least in terms of the structure reached last August. They've made it kinda kept friendliest you know compared to other quarterback numbers around the cabinet. Yeah I. In terms of the capture strike picket extremely firm that built and I mean this kind of picked up an eighty million. Yeah to a record one anger talking about less than sixteen million next year and not that ring. Party right now I mean that the replied a little bit up and down but and you're talking about a twentieth I quarterback epic movie. Which ironically is exactly where Paris and other rain and the pro football focus a yeah you might note they'll figure you're talking about a lower half. You know structured captive for quarterback who you know right now probably producing about what terms of numbers. So is. You know. The cap hit kind of fit the situation. You're not gonna take a harder talk about 6% of the billed cap estimated you know or next year so yeah it's not particular part of room. You're gonna have to really get other guys signed it as needed. The capital scare me away at all I wonder what the. If they don't pick up the option what the dead cap. Numbers it did would that scare the bills await you think like while look at we we gonna have to but look what's gonna count against their camp if we if we don't exercise the option. Right so that only going to be about 22 point eight million bottomless based on that signing bonus he got this year to go with that he raised. So if you know you're you're tired about it yourself about you know fifteen you know you're twelve million dollar. You decline it looked earlier this circuit changed that my question that you need that so I mean certainly you do you know there's always. Use for salary cap but you've got you've got to be in my cap this for now I got about thirty million work. You're probably not gonna give that big might accept until more and more. So so that's an area we're probably at a table according. You know there's there's certainly some holes to fill but. In terms of the big contract the big splash they're going to make that up even. I can't see another another position outside of the cornerback where they wanna spend that money. Martinez and Mike got to the nitty gritty that if the bills exercise the option next spring in and keep Tyrod around. And if you said you're basically looking at the two years what will that cost the bills in cash guarantees it in what with the cap its V if they keep Tyrod Taylor. So we'll look at if they do exercises mark you'll see thirty million in guaranteed cash. Right away. And they're eight additional almost ten million that kicked in about eighteen so. You know you know without even thinking about this is easily who you're you're you're gonna happen to don't need. Cash cap structure. But it turned to recap your talking about. Sixteen million back here in sixteen point seven million dollar and eighteen so it you know there's not a big jumpers. It's not picking up a part of your cable so it's and I feel in terms of the structure. I get that third year. But say you know things are going to play any you're looking to get out. There's this is great you are looking at that that can't figure in terms of if you have to release him much. It is gonna stay behind and we're looking at it out in nineteen in about ten point six million that. So it in the side of the numbers actually the same number that. The bill bell what we're trying to Patrick but it released back in just so ironic. Is that. Now it's doable if you're gonna save yourself some money early and certainly got money so it's certainly a situation that can get out of so its two year deal. For sure if your bureau may be but they're certainly you know. Com. What what about renegotiation of Tyrod Taylor's dealer that you know we don't know what his mindset will be what is agent wanted to do but I could day. You know renegotiated again and and maybe make him less of with an onerous burden to keep around one thing. Yeah kind of put that the Marlins were a little bit there's. In terms of how this steel structure and because you've got that big option bonus they kicked in particular I assume a lot of security money. What happened but that it you you party kind of records that money down on the waited a little bit so really. In terms of this option. I wouldn't touch it I wouldn't try to restructure that specifically. You're better off at that point to declining net. And trying to work within the it and trying to get something fresh built. The problem that happened there if you're probably aware of it there's going to be king call friend in the 49ers the jet prepared you know be in that you know. Are looking for a guy you know especially in and a Chip Kelly our I can imagine like our other player that's up. You know you're gonna have computers you're gonna have. Probably big money mean in the 360 putt raining at the certificates are all the money earliest are at the other ones you. So that the Rickie take you know if you are terrific but certain scratched got to hope it is I bet. And by Michael the last question I have is when and you wrote about this through it's it's about. Contract numbers. And it what makes it problematical for the bills are really tyrant performance in the rankings statistically from last year to this. Definitely don't show much if any improvement anti right in fact there's some. Pretty significant. Drop offs and and look at quarterback rating uses six ranked. Quarterback last year after last year remembers spending the off season. Listing off the number quarterbacks in a better quarterback rating them now is the 25 so that's what makes it kind of a difficult decision for buffalo is that it. Every request I think. I think the you know the eye test is really the you'll replace skip a look right now right now we've seen you've seen no let the reform we you know it hasn't been their term efficiency of the production though. You know I agree we considering it better to have them because. You know at that point. How much successfully pile up at the deals are in place. It looked like big picture in is your point you know this time last year we were talking about how efficient he was there an hour. How much production he would actually gain even on the bill or that the winning games with them. Could give me. If you just put pick Patrick beside it if we had. This contract last year this could be an incredible contract that we've we've we've been talking about it the feel this is so incredibly. It you know I think if enough people that contract are on the bills' side. So if they're if they're willing to their grip to this guy at a certain Herbert the next few years I wouldn't worry at all about the way this country contrary to structured. They might come one question I have for you is are there any other quarter right there have been a lot of young quarterbacks that is. On paper. Or at least talked about in the media has done big deals you know Brock asked Weiler. Kirk houses down in DC these guys are getting big deals and people alike while Mike how's how's that possible. Are these do these guys have the same type of contact Tara some sort of like a bridge contact or did they have more guarantees. Involvement about it. You have to that kind of what I was getting back at few minutes ago so threatened the Brock got slaughtered GO BO which I think we're sure a lot of people lot com. And some of that me myself included let them on paper that the 72 million dollar deal right. But but when you're diving kind of like I did you retire it's really the two year 37 million dollar deal right puts it it's really similar to the way to go have done this. The bill does basically give them a one year out. So it. What's gonna happen is you're you're beat to get it can turn it from a one year bring you what I ride with two year forty million deal for. Taylor in the next two years. So it extremely similar style. He and it and the Brock got slower. I think you're gonna be a little bit different structure at what Kirk cousins just the typical way he's producing he's trying to you know a lot more toward the end of the luck he'll. Where you're gonna get a lot more money up front. We had big signing bonus things like that so. He's turning more toward the blockbuster where where they're like you look at more guaranteed money and then you know Taylor are or were able to bring in. But it in terms of the way that the first two years of Taylor's option or structure we've seen it we hear properly. They like this is interesting stuff we always appreciate your insight thank you very much coming on the show the city to talk to us. Mike committee is the founder of spot trek dot com SP OT RAC dot com a analytic web site that deals with contracts and he's got a really good post that is up there today breaking down the numbers for Tyrod Taylor's options. And a lot of people are promising no there's no way they can sign them well. Yep reports as part of that money is a big part of it too and it it's definitely worth your time to read them on spot for now Mike Jones is on the subway fresh big my. So what you fresh back to mourn a moment. John Murphy shelters and abide Opel from one bills drive this is buffalo bill's repeal. Look at John Murphy she'll. One bills drive again thanks to Mike unity who's always interesting to me it's a little dance sometimes but the numbers make sense. And it tweet on this after a discussion. Mike Kennedy said in terms of cap structure parent in this contract is extremely fan view the bills and tweet from ruby told me. Who says yeah but is his play. Exactly ruby Tony that's the question that the number I think that's the contract numbers and I think the beautiful thing about Taylor's contract. As it is right now the option to extended next spring. Is there is flexibility for the part I mean that's. That's why they did it that way that's why he talked about teams are gonna start doing it is what it because they give themselves. A lot more flexibility for me coming from a player's perspective and we talked about this when we got off here. The players need to do something about it is to fight this type stuff Phoebe what guarantees obviously people know I don't know what you do know what players go through with their bodies. A lot of people that don't understand exactly what players go through. And this is why players play but you have to fight and make sure that it's in. That contracts that you have more guarantees because things like this or read in the franchise tag with that is so against the players. I guess that's necessary discipline this is all for the team it's all protecting the team the players have no protection. Teams would tell you we don't want a situation where it is time to guarantee money out there and so I think as passing a team countless times. You were you will see that because what I mean that's. If that was the case in baseball wouldn't give guys guaranteed money you know. Basketball hockey these these leagues wouldn't give Cassel was guarantees of front or even all guaranteed money they have to do the same things that football players have to do. Okay well that's a debate for another day I think I can I understand why they don't wanna give a guaranteed money and and I understand what players a lot of fight for but yeah there better be rated by port as I was gonna give them the problem is that. You know obviously the owners understand that in the NFL players don't make enough money to go on an extended lockout the notes at some point they're gonna fold in the in the cave and and it just gave in and sign a contract animal force of that they can give back to getting those game checks. And that's what happened last pocket okay. Ray take a break when we return Ruben Brown joins us in studio you're welcome to join us on the phone lines we'll revisit the topic of a playoff chances what you think the Buffalo Bills player chances are. 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