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Peter King that's a long time ago. I just hit me today that I'll have fifteen years here next summer. It's a long time I was talking to a guy talk to Tim Wenger. Tim is the program director at WB and and except but it and of thinking this way and I sought him and I said do you. Spend any time reflecting on how long you've worked here. Tim Tim hired me Tim and Greg Reid fired me in the summer of 2002. And Tim's like yes. But I think at lots of different jobs. And in different buildings. For different companies. But it's always worked for WB EI and for thirty years he's worked for WB yet so yes but it's not. Exactly the same. And I said well another thirty years summit have that here but I have been in one room. Working one shift. And I feel like I've been having one conversation. The whole time for fifteen years. You know I feel like every December. Star plays. Darlene love. And I sit here and and talked to you in bold blog about who next year's coach and quarterback will be. As there are games left. I don't watch to be impressed or. Or sympathetic or anything you might find that pathetic I don't know Cilic in in life. Don't we all just every once in awhile we got all the time every once in awhile you you stop and look around and think. Auto I feel about what I'm doing. How many more years to I see myself doing this do I still like it do I. Want some thing new whatever. I love. This. I love talking into this thing. I love having to think about ideas. And have to express me in a way that hopefully you wanna listen to that's almost all of it. But I love that I think I will never stop loving that. But I. It's just. To say it for the thousandth time it's amazing. That we are still doing this about this team the same way. All this time 2002. By for sure buffalo was in 2000 at a different station the first day. Was. A post game show bill's colts at the stadium and the colts won on a field goal at the gone. Vanderjagt eighteen to sixteen and it was a score as my first day in the city. 2002 I mean here. And it's an 818. And and last year's team was an eight maintain. And this year's team might be an eight man team. Like. Sometimes feel like no time has gone by it. A look different in the mirror. Makes it. I sit in the same spot the chairs different the TV is different I sit in the same spot looking out this one window. Every day. Talking in this microphone from the same spot in this room you don't even get the tree view. I get the treaty when it's not dark out. In reflections like concede the drought tree the archery I can see the drought three. All of groans up. In the reflections of the glass but right no I'm I'm my back is to the Vista the outdoors. I just I I again I'm not trying to make a bigger point I just think. Is that while some of you have been listening to me sit here and make the same points. This whole fifteen years and thank you by the way and your car is different. But maybe your job isn't all where you live visit and you go home from work Ellison the conversation and thank you again. Then out in out every day in this is what we do I'd been with the most utmost sincerity as a thank you for that. I mean it's just it's great. Were were very lucky I'm very lucky that you do that. That people do that. Just think it's amazing the thing about the drought is just that it's amazing. And what I said before the season at a part of me wants to continue because. It's just it's its interest saying it's something about buffalo sports that's distinctive. Which is to me always good a take it. As opposed to a wild card beat down not that you know that you will lose if you make the playoffs are certainly don't mean to say that. Chris is next on WGR look crisp. Are wrong okay. Here and along. While sixteen years about a boat as 1990. Our local converted me out that he if C championship game get raiders Arianna. A greater sense. And that the whole. Idea here in June switch back on Sunday. Now now I don't I don't market Oca. You know article turning her daughter. That the loving relationship partner I mean he got to get them. In all the or five year one daughter of two years. No we want it and the board of awful wants. Playoffs. JB JR and you know that the glory years ago it. In order to hear the turnovers just you're never gonna get nowhere. This feels right ever gonna get nowhere I mean and I think he's got. Given that. They signed to a five year parents Herbert I think he's gonna get all fired years and regardless. I think thank you Chris I think three. I think for me generally speaking three. Is enough. And too isn't. It did to isn't enough if you fiery guy after two years when you sign in for five you look kind of clueless. Or just like. You know which may be the reality more money to have Gloria the need for worry about but I just think you look. You look close and I think the bills will look clueless. Too many. If they caught Tyrod. Because of the if you pay close of attention you pay the most. Attention you know that the contract is disposable. But if you pay. A medium amount of attention you know that they committed to him. They also just got him and I think that the general reaction to the bills cutting Tyrod Taylor after this season assuming nothing really changes in the next four games. Would be. Never changed buffalo. You bring a man he works out he wasn't bad you get rid of them. New coach now new offensive coordinator now. New defense of coordinator because that defense of coordinator wanted to work for your call all all these things that's the bills that's the bills of the last decade. It's just. Always. Shifting. So like I said man I've I am not in love with all of us. But I do I do lean that way which just gotta you hang in there the team isn't bad enough. And the quarterback for me isn't bad enough. To what to do all that right now I'm not there let's see what happens in a month Sunday was important. In Oakland and Tyrod Taylor disappointed that's a team that gets thrown on. There are even losing the game we're gonna throw more and he couldn't do. And that was that was a blow. I think for him in this. And you know the week before. Which was at Jacksonville the week before. Which was a game they want he didn't play great game very either they started really slowly so were in a bad patch here with them but. I am not I'm not done I'm not don't watch them. Mike is next on WG RO Mike. During a call jerk. All kind of late to defend your tea and it's been instructing me like personally I don't almost due west sultan offers little technical physical IE. Like it if it ain't me when they lose watching them but like you said mediocrity. Like soul. There's mole on his ankle either way it. Being a year or cider Jack entered well governor predictions. They kind of are what we all ought to work or who they are all in your direct record over his career you Carla. They know what 500 media Jeanne virtual all of maybe you get under my under her a little bit under OK all I'm not that deep and that's what and our lives are in his career is. What are years and it's obvious they will. And yet he is true or yes side of street and he'll what you're saying you know they can't really well you know cut Tyrod is if they got to deal with the ball of fire and you want or back but the drought if they don't make it this year can you assist it's another layer came over the last since seven Egypt and Lebanon. Well I understand that thank you Mike I just think some people don't. Get their hopes up like that like they used to and so and I almost feel like good for you for. Hang it up and I think what explains. A sense that. There is no hope left when the teams still does have a chance even before the raider game. But we talked a lot last week about how negative people sounded about the raider game at this point to pull blog makes about how. One time nine years ago. Before a bills team with Cleveland he was pumping up their chances and saying what's good excited and people were yelling at them and that was nine years ago. That that's that's a reflection. I'm people. You know some are like that summer like that guy who just. Feels it when they lose John is on WG Arlo John. Hey Mike being a little older and it looked I looked. Your first power over it by oh thanks yup I should do you remember that mascot. I don't look in your immunity and go aren't. The bill let me just explain that before you make your point please the bills had a mask of buffalo mascot the BB it was called the two men buffalo. And so you had a person walking in the front person walking in the back in his costume which we did have video of it today from a game in 75 is the caller mentions a. I think he actually starts not there weren't sanctioned by the ridiculous mark you'll all relate and in there they were rolled off. And up and leave them but we have got also on the bill what to expect it. Awful while well it's not a great looking mascot I don't know what mascots for sport to look like forty years ago honestly. All around it yes yes. Yet did you did you. Well you can go anybody listening can go to YouTube and and watch this game builds giants 1975 Monday Night Football. And LS terrorists is in the Booth for more than a football that year. And signs like you say paper the walls the DO walls of the stadium. And there's one that just says Alex's fat. It and the second time they showed it he got mad and he won't he said Chet forty would you take the camera off that time he was upset. Don't I might be upset. Two point. During that era we know we're gonna quarterback Joseph person was airport where the elect to create. He was our back and it got to a playoff with 72 and then I think that one of the best. Underrated though it is 1980 he's got out of all that good all wait you know 81. And and that was it and so I think I think you might have to stay with Ireland vote. Well that was because though the though world was different you know like there there there wasn't as easy to move in and out of players. For team yeah. The only. Other thing. But I know from my perspective being holes I. Saw the built quickly at C championship for the first. 72 of the ones this is 8081 off so euphoria. Aria eighties then. 898889. They don't it was a world and get the voters. Point is to to build and let you know until one night we had a good round. And I know that the you're the bad and bad but. Personal wanted younger like they don't know any of habit spoke well. We have over all of run of the franchise seem a bit raw. I guess I mean that's just support thank you John for for real you do is compare their results with other teams and it's not that good I mean it's. That there are certainly highlights. And that's what you'd wanna. Think about it but frankly to compare the history the bills with a history of you know the other teams in the NFL it's not really better better than some but it's not better than most. You have. About that I was around for a but the mid sixties are great where you be eight or ten teams whatever it is for the AFL. Then you have. Like he just went through the years 88 to 99 is phenomenally winningest team of the nineties. Few teams have winningest team of the decade took hold up this team does. And you're on going on seventeen consecutive years after that without a single playoff appearance. Which. What what number of years. Constitutes a drought. What's the minimum. Length of a drought. I think it's four. My numbers for if you miss the playoffs three years in a row. You're probably making a coaching change you're probably doing some things you're Nancy. But nobody really would call that a drought. Three years. For. But that's to me that's a cycle. For his election cycle four is the Olympics for is are really four years in a row five for sure. I can be a drug that's how I look at it for years is a drought CA I guess this is how different things goal. Depending on how old you are because my consideration for drought is like ten years time. Tine years because. And if you get it you're the drought or do you make the playoffs every seven years at this point I'm jealous of you it might stake in the seven years but. I don't call the sabres. Haven't made the playoffs in five years I refused college. I won't call it play out tropical playoff absence I think it is all caught droughts mantra so you're looking up to the Detroit Lions. You're looking up to move. The saints. With the Super Bowl he did win a Super Bowl and their two but franchises like that you're looking up to teams like the lions in the saints. Ago. It's not go to the Texans. The Texans have been in the playoffs a few times. They do not have drought that are out there have a drought. Is that a team that anybody would say that they want a V. But there have a drought and the bills Aran for. Droughts. For four year. For your droughts who knows there's no right answer to that is there now who's on line five. Is she and John your on WGR low. Guys. They bit off. So much error yeah I'm all. That. Aren't aren't and or or that (%expletive) you know in order car. All it. Would it be cheap but. Now I don't opt and I'm here. And as I want. I. Think that. That there are the and are they. Become. Bigger when it. Shortly art art. Your signature. And I. Let it go. Maybe you. But the Ottoman or order come back. At him you're you're. Well but. There are some build our. Ear. And. He it's a part of this and it's a good question in and it's a kind of a hard question signature game I don't know ownership to win it. I don't know if you might think Alex Smith is good enough to get into the playoffs every year but he's good enough to get Kansas City the playoffs every year. Like. I think Taylor is about on par with them so I don't mind using him in a comparison. He does get the Kansas City Chiefs to the playoffs I think they're excellent this year and I don't think he's great. Mean again it's cute it's what makes talk about it interesting how it moves all all the time. The quarterback league point is muted a little bit now you've teams like. Click Kansas City. That have had great results have been really great not playoff results but but they wanna game Lester thirty nothing on the role in the playoffs who might have. Mock that. That's a good franchise. With a coach that gets ridiculed a lot for some of his clock management and decision making and a quarterback that gets ridiculed for a lot of things. The third but then it got where they right now nine and three. They're in the playoffs last year and won a game have been in the playoffs other times they won their division in 2010 John Clayton still owes me dinner. Like I have that the debate they've won. So. I'm buffalo are not gonna scoff at the chiefs. And their quarterback I do think is a boat the equivalent of mine might have might even be better. Athletically he's better. You know Smith is no bomb. They're winning in Atlanta there waiting in Carolina. They're winning in Denver. They're winning in Oakland they have that's for their games this year. Atlanta Carolina Denver all only beat them all on the road when they get to be called good. I like come they play tonight. Be funny if they skip crushed tonight after this little commentary. Chiefs are about a three point favorite hole which was he very cold. It's one of the best Thursday night games of the year got to be look at this matchup raiders and chiefs. So hopefully it's a good game. Our holiday party is well under way everybody's around means good morning guys your buddies Millen around looking good and I'm going out there. Injure for the pony when my all time favorites was on earlier and I'm gonna. Replay that I love what he's on he's one of my all time favorite guys. So we talked Steelers he's in Pittsburgh now we talked Steelers little bit pirates two and some bills and there. Enjoy that LC tomorrow Bulldog will be with me Ryan is on after this. Interview Ryan's on its seven with the nightcap. With the party going on. Yeah parties going on but I'm gonna be thrown the party on WG RS on enough credit. Now we can all you can all go to the party that and that's good riser to do that for you I'm not. So hold that against me specialists during the day I might show here on WGR. I like showbiz it's okay here's my check with Interpol the pony 937 the fan in Pittsburgh today hope you'll love it. Andrew. Yet. Listen to this. So I Heidi. This is awesome. I drafted I filled in in a fantasy draft this year. And so it was it was all the guys that I didn't know but I had this happened I was drafting with that and I was just wanting to do more drafts. So I go to this draft and I'm getting to know this group of guys in the Tellme. That. That the guy who finishes last in the league like the regular season is over most fantasy football leagues who whoever finished last. Pass to go. To the Christmas Eve dolphins bills game. And take a picture of himself there with the scoreboard. At zero that the game that you were there for the end of the game. How about that punishment how boat vet how about dolphins bills Christmas Eve. As punishment. What I'd pick up. One. The world. While there's incentive not to finish last. Where you understandings. Well I was not even really in the league. IE was just filling out. The guy that the guy that I draft for me the playoffs but I mean that is just a little bit that they're adjusted to illustrate. Life appear. That. That team that they can be thought of the the big right over my child. Good game yeah. Right get away season game. In the division. With two weeks left in this season. Is so. It is it did it's it's such a non. Pot as competitor but as an interesting game they saw a bit. Continue to stick with investing time in a league. Well they knew they were gonna have a bad season just to avoid going to that game but take somebody. I don't think so. But I mean isn't that amazing. Home this team was beaten eight last year and nine in seven the year before. So what are Puerto talking about Cleveland here. I did it go to insects. And it play out. But you got it went out what I would be new pill that would be new for us that would be new for us the four game winning streak at the end. Right to the end not 2004 or this the bills lost to the Steelers at the end that would have made it you were here for that maybe. Don't ask that's the Donna Hogan right. I maintain that were built our short of winning Super Bowl forty that was probably one of his proudest moment when he met again with tobacco this coach. Yeah because of the power struggle yet here with Tom. So one that. To beat him in knocked the bills out. Yeah it is yeah it was guys that ended up in that game. They look like total scrub players. And two of those guys won this kind of borderline hall of fame career James Harrison. Had a break out game at that point he was just. You know fourth or fifth taxi squad special teams player scored a touchdown Willie Parker map and Willie Parker who. It's not like a great hall of fame running back but at a three or four year period where he was one of the better running backs in the NFL. So what about this game. But this British too and I've been talking about in just you know with fans tending to be so. Pessimistic for the bill's late in seasons they just don't don't rope me in that kind of thinking. Here you have last week was similar like this you have the spread making it seem that these teams are pretty even. Should should the wind be what it is. I think so because. The Steelers. Jekyll and Hyde routine that they have. When they're home vs the too tired team they've been deceit and on the road and that went away the last couple of road games but they come with China after X marks because they were against the browns and a cold Steve that didn't have. Andrew Luck and there before that. Ben Roethlisberger was. You know in his road game the last three years if you look at him yet as many touchdowns as interceptions. It's quarterback ratings and the low eighties he's just like another guy. When you get him out Heinz Field and it's it's such unusual. State of affairs with him because when that was it is first few years in the week. I look at him as the type of quarterback that I love adding under center going on the road in these places then. In darting out queens and wait rides in. Winning. Ugly games but. You know the Steelers defense has undergone a pretty serious transition and you know if it's not the type of defense where you can really win those kind of low scoring games away from home so much. Anymore. So that's why what that's one of the reasons why Mike I give. The bill's chance on Sunday and at least from our vantage point down near Pittsburgh. If you put a bigger game for them you know you you might think where you are there's some apathy that's set in among the fan base or they from where you sit. Fans are not well willing to give themselves up and get invested. I think for the Steelers this is another litmus test game. But the bills are good kids they're not a great team and these fans want to see this team be a good team away from Heinz Field on Sunday will present a challenge. Enter full pony 937 the fan in Pittsburg Andrew what does Roethlisberger say about the home road business. He. Gives these bury it. Almost. Like puzzle laying it theaters because. He's so like detailed in the way he answers those questions. If you would think that as we get a chance to talk you'll want to week on our show. And you'd bake most guys you have to have a question like that and they were just kind of brushed it off and say well you know it's football blah blah. And he says. That it. He picked as detailed as specific as sometimes you're stadium. And the crowd the stadium was different it it changes your sight line get a court as a quarterback and your depth perception is different. And that changes where you want to put a ball public speak you wanna put on it or how he wanted to throw it. And that it's just so like hyper sensitive and it's such it involved. Detailed answer that it almost sounds like to be when he answered that question about it Mike and I'd give it to want two or three times this year. That he's not psyched out about it but you can tell he is mindful. And very thoughtful about. The kind of challenges as challenges and struggles he's had. Away from from Heinz Field because a comfort zone here when he got home he just as any quarterback I've ever seen the back I have to travel as well this year. He's never lost the bills. It Hebert of the game here that he played the one game here where Stevie Johnson dropped a touchdown pass in overtime and then blamed god. Yeah I do any better that was huge. I take it one of the longest. Touchdown receptions by a running back in bills history of that game you remember that Fred Jackson had like eighty awkward. Touchdown reception Oka and surely even longer than that was not a high scoring game. Out forced. Out. You know we've actually referenced this a few times on our show this week it will I guess you would be on Sunday. And every time I think of wind. Add. You airfield Russians. Q with the times of economic with the buffalo I think that sticks to rebuild ground game that I went to. I went there why and when I was working for you guys. I went to one gave it to stay in my entire time in buffalo but it would it take story. Brownsville gamer rushed were Roscoe Parrish had two fumbles. And Derek Anderson completed two passes out on the road and one. And passes. Three RRM. Tell it like it's such a I don't Brown's story for me that game. But the all time bill story and all time Brown's story without even combining them. Purity and looted by just knows separately claim that. Up. More with Andrew Phillip pony next this is Mike show on WGR. Welcome back. I had a great pleasure talking to my old friend and Drupal pony from 937 the fan in Pittsburgh today about the Steelers and even the pirates here comes some of that. States don't enjoy this. What do you think of of Tyrod Taylor so the bills have this contract with memory gets paid big money after the season if they want to pay him. Or they could cut ties which they do. I got I think they've got to figure out like what they want. To be as an offense because when I watched them play. It is if they win move that they've made to make him offensive coordinator. And I want stability and it looks like running a college offense to me. You know and and I get to watch it every Saturday down here when I've talked to bill but I feel like I'm watching the game on Saturday. Where you got a quarterback that's an option plays and double play to worked fine I mean it is. It has been totally different dynamic to prepare prepare for a game. It take about a quarter back two running threat in the poll AM jealously almost six yards to carry him. Reggie Bush him until a couple of weeks ago even purse you are in but like. How are you gonna win that way long term. Indiana Howard your quarterback can stay healthy what EJ had to play a couple snapped on Sunday I saw that that's never good. I just think. You know are you get a buck conventional wisdom and stay in 2016. And beyond. We're gonna be this team that. You know asks our offense to be so super reliant on the run that was first. In in rushing offense and 32 in passing offense. So. I I don't know Mike MIT you know winning seat in here and there and keep you competitive as long as your defense is really good but. But don't defense didn't really get them. I would just want to probably subscribe to the conventional way of thinking and buy myself a pocket quarterback who could Dillinger came around. I think things are. All use the word twisted here because. The defense point is right and that of course was Rex Ryan was being counted on for the toast. Wasn't being counted on to deliver the bills are good quarterback. But you know if you think Taylor's good has happened but he was supposed to keep a defense was already good good or better. And so what are we like to know what their record would be with this quarterback in the top defense. And at that hopefully this answers or what but what you just said but. You know that's why the pop it higher Rex White at the time. Surprised me because. You didn't have anywhere to go but down defensively. He knew he wasn't gonna keep Schwartz around you're gonna lose that it would have been with the bills offense. That needed help then you know I think when you hire a coach. If you might not. You might not feel like your coach have to be. Like you know the offensive guru what needs to know what style of play. War kidnapped and that kind of way like I might not always hire a coach because my offense was thirtieth. We went for a twelve I need to hire head man let me find the best offensive coach out there. But you know the built it. The bill had been one person defense that he made it it it didn't really get them anywhere under ducked around. So comedic get tired of bombastic coach who had a big personalities. Had some level of success in New York I'm not gonna take that away from me what to two AFC championship games. But what he's back on it to me it just seemed like to move that. The bills are hoping would get them relative to coach that everybody knew you got celebrity came from New York. And. I kind of think they did that they've gotten what they signed up for they've been competitive but. He hasn't been able to take to build the next level and that's pretty consistent with a wrecked his entire career February them. And I'm with that to a point I mean I think what Terry cool wanted to do was announce the bills as something more. And that Rex Ryan coming from -- only coup was the liberal in the first place and he's quitting on us but let me show you what I can do. And I always thought I always thought that Terry and Rex would would hit it off the both know football history they and I think they would have been. You know in in different ways star struck almost with the each other and so. Like I sort of nodded at that whole idea but what you say about the football part of it and a lot of people have said that I think is is also correct. And in my one and one more thing on that like you know very progressive. Minded. Percy you need to be willing to vault and see where you're maybe lacking in in in bringing people back and help. Upset or pork or hover your own weaknesses as a person in and it helped you grow and make you better to coach him and achievement I don't think you do that. When you start to just rely on the people that you're comfortable being around you break it Tyrod Taylor because you'll round of the Baltimore. You bringing your brother as defensive coordinator. I don't think that that. That is not a power Rex Ryan that was my second chance to be had coached in this is gonna be the time that I proved everybody wrong in new York community industry as a whole. I would want to sort surround myself with people that I had always been around. Because so much easier. But Mike you gotta make hard decisions especially where you know you you can say he failed the last play he was. You know it's just easier to do that and people most of the time wanna do that. It's that it's the setting that's different it's all the players that are different it's the owner that's different. So woman it I'm gonna have my a you know my security blanket sort of speak in terms of coaching coat well Oca. So while I'm injured I got together this summer in Pittsburg for our. And we sat in the TV seats. And so many good questions report were asked all the way around your friends and everybody just it was such a great day. And that one point your question for me was one was a slight July. Maybe around at the earliest it was July and your question for me was what should they do with Andrew McCutcheon. Right. So he was seven this this bad year and really didn't didn't get better. And so an hour and a free agency and their been all these rumors about the pirates trading McCutcheon. Of course they haven't done that in lately that the wind seems to be blowing like this nobody wants. So what's right. I think the death is a blessing in disguise because. I look at this Heatley had last year and even though his offense. Tail off to the point where it would be. A cause for concern. Most of his. Most of the things that I look at and put value in with him. Like his defense is what drove him to a point where. I think most of the industry looked at him last year at an average player and maybe even worse he became a liability. And if you move him to say corner outfield. It Potlatch responsibility or strain on him I think in turn you'll get a better offensive player. And it appears to be depart plane here yeah. I think it's I think it's a plane the that they have fallen back on because they didn't get the kind of players or packages of players. They want it back. But by age my feeling all along has been if I were running the organization. I would tell Morgan a movie into right field. For next year it'll it'll give you a chance to just worry about being becoming a better hitter but he more of that besides being a slugger and move into the second air out your career. Where. So many other popular abroad where they transition from being the leader the captain of the outfield. To read what you write deal in the Pittsburgh makes more cuts and play right because the dimensions. Our ballpark I still think like if they pushed the right buttons that can be seen Beckett back to the playoffs they did win 98 games. Two years ago and I still think maybe not MVP level baseball McCutcheon. I think next you'll see about that can be one of the better hitters in the national again. All right I'm glad I ask you one no question yes. What do you think is worse. The pirates' twenty years. Without a winning season or the bills bills. Is they eat my first answer and I would say it's easy except for New England. So if you if you fold into it that you have the patriots who were so dominant and that there would have been years of the bills were in certain other divisions certain times. Were they would have been in the playoffs even last year or the year before. Then. Maybe you wanna give them there are days when I feel like this where you wanna give them a break. Then in the pirates drought at least in the beginning you had to finish first that wasn't for long though. Is it close steel so why you ask. Yeah it is because you have those issues. That he just look at the record. They had better years during the that throughout that part. Really 1997. During the twenty years was the only year the pirates came close to making the postseason. That just because the NL central was too weak division right they never had a winning record in those twenty years ago. Yeah. But with the with the bills. The league it's still structured in a way where you're not supposed to be bad for so long. And I thought and in the accept us as well I'll leave you on. About going back at a baseball game that we shared together in July mean the point he made it was the most daily media Saturday. Which would you compare this to bringing play. In the ninety Q let us via that knocked the pirates out in seven games to the music city miracle. Have a game that was a complete. Heart. When eighteen gut wrenching game. It can't look back on it now with what the total. Almost new positive connotations to the bonds and leave right away really. Yeah I didn't yet he never played another game for the parties with the giants in ninety dirt. You don't happen to these guys after the game in Tennessee. Bruce Thurman and Andre were released. That was the end of them. And you read it totally sort of wade tolls were more year but you had a totally new direction happening here after that. Yeah and I just thought I mean you can use of the Smart thing that came up that day like mount ball him. That answers your question but an important part of that experience. I don't know why would that that statement you made has resonated with me and I thought about that allow a lot this week as I've prepared myself for this football game. It's on the people say but when I see it to you I could mean more always a pleasure. And thanks for listening the holiday party continues here at work Ryan gates is coming on live to give updates these next. 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