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12-11 Bills Overtime with Nate Geary, Ryan Gates, and Brayton Wilson

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About for the eye coordination kind of left tonight. It's an awfully beyond bell as if. News here's me. Geary brought to you by northwest made the switch to northwest and get back. I thought I meant to be. Overtime Sho what make you re here right gates along side breaking Wilson whose hit the updates and Jody B Yost see. Hit the floor. Not literally hitting although you might. Gas that we are hitting things. Inside the studio however we are not. It it is nice to more and amongst friends though. As the droughts now officially hits years seventeen will pay tribute to that shortly. Not quite yet dealt. 8030550. That's a local number call 88522550. The 800. For those out driving the National Weather Service has issued a warning to all drivers as conditions are expected to grow increasingly worse. So if you're out there still waiting to get home more on the three way or wherever you are. Please be careful and drive safe as the weather is expected to continue to get worse all evening long so while. Just just pull back just do it do it one shellacking. It's not like being handed me. I wish is bills easily been bandied you can just rip and be over a law and that would be rates yeah. You know at least at least we're not the jets or something I guess. Is that's all they just add to the playoffs and it's it. Yeah during the seventh in my humble trial don't the bills don't have bought from which have a coach from bought fumble. Yeah I mean NDU look at the Jetsons. Me neither going doomed race the tactic of reaching rock bottom and so we might be in a situation where the the bills once again. Do not decide to go that route. Yet all this is what I fully six I wanna see suggested as I fully predict will happen. Is out like the bills normally do they'll likely win the next three games. Get themselves to her heroic right to mediocrity. Justice themselves out of a out of the draft position to get an elite player. You know something along those lines sounds far too bills. I guess that's. It's funny at the beginning of the season I predicted the bill's going nine and seven and things didn't exactly hit. As I predicted but it's pretty similar because I predicted five and four by buying and that they when their last three games to make a run at nine sevenths on right now and here I thought they'd be six and seven here and I kind of figure that they'd be winning out the season with these three games just because. Well the dolphins do look like a better team and unfortunately losing Bryant and Alexander starting quarterback Matt Moore air has now begun initially. On the map more media more air it's it's brought to the man more Erica right right he's Ben the back up for years but he was the starter report that is true he was. He was the point. It's unfortunate for assault all right let's take a look now or listen I guess since you can't physically see. What I'm saying or doing I guess that would make sense is that you'd listened so. Let's now listen in here to a recap of today's misery angry cap. As my good friend Ryan would put an OK so the wealth they start off you know what if the bills can be consistent in one category it is winning. The coin toss and taking the ball second because they are so am scared a potentially putting the ball in Tyrod Taylor's hands too early. Because so far it's worked greatly when it my all addicts and get gas coin toss and elects all right well the defense they come out. Out a couple of big plays for the Pittsburgh offense. Missed tackles coupled to treat here in an open big Steelers ended up you know trying to guide to the red zone. But I bet the role from Ben Roethlisberger which would be the point of that date. Lorenzo Alexander gets its first interception of his career not here's the real stepped up my friend Jodie BSE passed along during the game that was Ben Roethlisberger. First red zone interception since week all eleven of 2014. It was like all signs were pointing up for the bills. And then now let's let's get highlighted at Alexander interception here. Alexander he's not the he outlined. What happened after that just what they need the generals what might inspire only. Go three and out responding to the first turn over in five freaking games they go three and out. So it wasn't meant. And recap I'm hasn't yet we're gonna get mad. Big bag you then now obviously takes the ball back because they're competent offense competent team may have company coach it's. So they take the ball then and big bat he finds Antonio Brown deep down the right sideline and I do want to point apple for the highly placed. It was terrific coverage from around RV. He essentially get to hand out the vultures rip it out of Antonio Brown seemed a turnaround just too good. And got Big Ben finds that Tony around here for this forty yard connection. There. Out of bounds. Eight buffalo. For a big game there a forty yard pick up. Zoellick competent offense they are they finish off the drive with a three yard touchdown run this time from a lead beyond. There did too for a victory rockets were waiting for this day. Narrative and it up now for instance of sideways driving towards alt. Touchdown Pittsburg. Outlook three yard touchdown run over the left guard for the course for the game. At this point the yardage total which I think is the I think you should really start to focus that then that yes let's blame the defense I get it let's blame the offense lets blame someone but the steps at this point we're pretty telling a 134 total yards for the Steelers. Committed to the Eagles that's other rape the it is it's technically ranked by that Bryant. And then. So the don't go back out on offense so you're like okay well don't respond. The old building something well they don't Tyrod Taylor affect the XX which would've really just put as I would like to put the particularly in salt in the wound because it burns. More than it. But that. What the pitch Kimmel insulting you not are you not familiar with pink Himalayan sea salt. And it's horrific it's much better and much more healthy than normal do you do you might putted guys are deeper than your bag you put into food you know you put it on your food it's more or helping them so it's less sodium or something it's good it's good for the soul it's good for salty. People like me so it's not like lavender that you've put in you know. No laughter it's not bad. Now all halls of regular salt not bath salts. Anyway so you think OK well the pick six no look it's called back defense holding they got the game's not over quite yet doesn't matter of focus to sex. And upon later and got another three and out the balls back to the Steelers. And at that point the yardage total after another bills drive 434 yards a negative want all at that point. I negative fourteen yards passing because that's a normal offered to step for frequent topic. Our course started now the belted a nice job holding the Steelers to a fourth and one they finally holding a fourth and one. It's their third possession at seven nothing at this point that was before back and found a wide open David Johnson right here for a first down on fourth down. Pounded five on the play clock there's a snippet of the it has to stop by the tight end David Johnson got the first down to more down the sideline. It's out of bounds at the 25 yard line at the bills. The other game Johnson. Right I think just about anybody. Could've probably. Look to downplay and thought a lot they ultra they might be passing here well not the bulls defense. Lady about he finishes this drive off with another touchdown you should do is to this sound because we're gonna play at another time after this the. Person go Steelers at the seventh. Straight I've formation snap that you could now wait statues left bruises and be himself actually. Maybe I'll -- his second of the game this one for seven yards out and the Steelers marched downfield sixty yards for their second touchdown of the game. So the bills they get the ball back on offense righteous run and hide find an umbrella to hide from the snow lower gold grab a hot chocolate you won't miss and eating well. Don't they put together some first downs in this drive but after. It was a tough drop icing anybody to hit the ground and in you can see right away. That Steelers coach Mike Tomlin knew right away it was a traffic through that he threw the flag before the guy even like. The referee even like waved his hands break is might be a first down they jailed the plates were burst. It was a drop the bills are then forced to punt again so the bills that go back on defense what they used to find Gil. It's his fifth interception of the season. We had to pick Roethlisberger all the loans in the field Clinton got intercepted picked up like Gilmore the third the other side. At that one but quickly and quietly knocked out. No market out of bounds at the he stepped in front advance it to divert to Antonio Brown so now the Bill Clinton no excuses marked a one. Yard return to the intercept why. Man Merck is trying to jinx it. No excuse at all it's true they did almost blow it but after. The to pick. Tyrod ballad comes through is on third down after apparently have brought them back you thought for sure yes they work to screw this up but they don't and that Tyrod Taylor fights and you markets for your touchdown get. Third and goal from the dark green receivers. And appointments without wide right side of the utterance on the right. Into what's that use this tailored looks like that in the end. That's doubts and taxed at buffalo. So touchdown makes the score fourteen to seven at this point so the end of the second quarter came pretty. I guess on and you mindful of conspiring for most of us military. The bills defense makes a nice stop Tyrod Taylor with a second hear me out your character finds seen walking in Ben Charles clay in back to back plays on the same drive. No we yeah but that it was a bad throw that causes the bills for. Two to have to punt the ball with two minutes and thirty seconds to go you're like oh well great they're up to score no doubt this did just. Couldn't seem to be. Any more fitting for them is to score before the half but that the Holtz. And the bills get the ball back with three time outs and 45 seconds. Now the guys to describe what happens after that big mile now they they don't but they might as well. Three timeouts clearly means nothing to this coaching staff they don't need to do anything else they're only down fourteen to seven just go to the half you'll feel good about it. Our upper corner starts on the offensive side of the ball. Big first out okay the really big first down and a third and Tennessee and you lock ins. And you're looking like OK maybe they've made some adjustments in the second half here and in at halftime to come out and second have to figure something out here. They hunt now. And it was a 66 and out for this bills' offense who figures out a way to extend the sticks. Get another first down but then they go essentially six and out and they put the ball right back to. The Pittsburgh Steelers who again is a competent offense and so what do they do when you get decent field position apropos you respond. And at this point I let go but we just bulldozing bills' defenders I need to get tough at times 67. Guys to bring down again bell. He looked like he was playing inspired football what looked like most bills defenders. We're just kind of hey it's kind of called. We're almost close to half or almost close to the end of the game or pride to lose so I don't really feel like tackling it's it's really cold like that the ground hurts. Especially with all those rubber pellets rubber pellets right Eddie that Delhi had something to blow for sure. And then not big that he finds a wide open wide receiver over the over the middle of the field. Thought the first reception by a receiver not mean Antonio Brown to that point of the game which is a little a little. Into the third quarter should say but that it was lady on bell finding the end zone for the third time on this five yard touchdown. Executive to from the buffalo fire. Roethlisberger. Minds about for the four week. Tonight. It's an all Libyan rebel as. He strolled bid for the. Ten plays 82 yards six minutes in 33 seconds on the response. Drive. From the Steelers there and that obviously you're looking for response from your offense because the defense just got gas out of sixth minute drive. Wide open Robert Wood up on the sidelines instead of force the ball and he I he I mean obviously tire regular forces a ball and double coverage to Charles play. Who obviously doesn't make the catch in the play because he's literally double covered. Is not opened and drain and Robert what's and the nice thing about Robert is he's waving. Like. Hey wide open on the sidelines at wheel route I Darryl I but he gets it wasn't to me it is he just automatically assume he can't find him fourteen games in the season. You know I think he's figured out wanna talk a pot. The defense finally. They finally make a stop in the red zone and that that's what you have to look at. As a positive in its on this Zach brown interception to somewhat turn the tides of the game. Six. Played big players into the end zone it's intercepted. It is background that tips it off. Until the pants intended for the night just to. The third interception of the game for the Buffalo Bills. Snaps out of Pittsburgh right. Nate what's the perfect response to an interception like this in the third corps it's easy I'll tell you go right down. All weights and oh wait that's right on the first play of the next drive. Star Taylor finds the others find he finds out just plain Joseph they keep finds the defense. We throw open looks downfield plan to help build this one is that up by the Steelers. Intercepted by birds the rookie at the courtyard like still obviously it's not the 35. He goes down at about the 32 yard line. Three. Open receivers were streaking down the field and the excuse after the game was terror kind of force that one. I don't know that's not an excuse that's a fat oh. Well yet now why hasn't yet there was three opened bills' receivers and he found the only open Pittsburgh steeler corner on the play. And it was a beautiful ball right to is our right right in his hands and great Pittsburgh they they respond again 8806 plays 29 yards in. I don't even know the kickers first name I just haven't out of Bob while but reference clock while cable he nails this 37 yard field goal to run the score to 24/7 at this point. Or drive or response well there seven yarder that as a way to put the feelers to. So big place now this is where the bills finally figured out our what's the fourth quarter we should probably puts in garbage points on the board so that we can teller fans while he we tried. Vick played a shady McCoy on third down a great job of him eluding defenders making his way up the field and a little dump off pass. That. Tyrod Taylor finds Charles clay for a forty yard touchdown. His first of the season fourteen weeks into the season he was at this point the only. Wide receiver running back tight end in the league with 34 catches and not touched unsolicited here. Second dead it's reported it's it would activate him and sets up. His umpires down that I cited talk quite play the one now the far sideline right detect. It's been. Let's not buffalo throughout play a forty yard from it Taylor at the right after the kid that's been missing. And then. Fitting as it gets. Are good good friend Dan carp that are. Finishes off a lovely scoring drive with this little number 33 yard extra point yet for him carpenter we are big wait for the fourth quarter. The bills have a pulse. Found it another way it could. It left off right it is no good. Just like that they they cut the artery would that is one of the bulls plan sounds you'll ever hear bad is so rich with history. It's rich with history in mahogany. Are all up after that hello well right LO out Pittsburgh goes eight plays 54 yards they end with another Chris Boswell 39 yard field goal to. It is 839 yard here towards the open into the stadium. Responsible and who took the field goal. It was down to us get into the way it is not these two lovely. And the Steelers needed now by fourteen points with three minutes thirty seconds left that way. Right where the bills' offense wants them right okay will they go down the field just like they do every week in the fourth quarter what seems like when they're down in the games out. Let's put some scores let's. Let's put a score on the board let's get some stats let's make you just feel good they're working for the fantasy crowd they know you don't work at Ford they're working for the week date instead of the weekend because everybody's working for the week day. And they get this garbage coy turf point garbage time LeSean McCoy touchdown. No tip line governor hurry here first and goal from the lottery hurry. Operate. Them 117 this week to check into the end zone touchdown buffalo what's not a Polaroid touchdown. A three are still right up the medal hash tag garbage time I would say there's no more highlights but there is let's end. This is dreadful dreadful day. By playing another terrific effort from the entire. Arbiter entities got ready to go. Approaches that a couple of pocket it goes nearly far enough lights go down. Close to Fargo. That was nonsense kid that was announced that wasn't clear to people. That was an onside kick would ever do it every day carper wants the pollen on psychic. I think you called that an onside kick because it was legitimately actually outside care 88 in his era is four yards didn't added more yards. And it kicked it off these poll. You can't see it wasn't enough inside cat because students. And Russell Wilson just throws an interception. That's that's what number four on the day for I don't know. They got a team on the got a quarterback you might be front picks today that rather have Russell Wilson. Well that does it for the your bills game rap I hope I brought back all sorts of good Fuzzy feeling that she got during the game. I didn't really mean to make you more upset if I did I truly apologize but. You can always make it better because tonight it's cowboys giants it's on WGR 8 PM Sunday Night Football. Right here on to BGR sports real fight that he's brought to buy out the quicker when it's time stack up to save every day. Et Al but liquor and by armor eat the right people the right approach. Yeah I mean I was there was another one of those games we've seen in a million times here. You you're you're thinking. If this team truly did. You know want to. Its. It's hard to put into words what I what I am I wanna say here but. You got all the reports coming out before the game we see them all and that adds expands. And the team comes out and responds that way and as you said the defense playing just completely uninspired. And one of the keys and marquis is of Rex Ryan being hired here's how he's a player's coach in the defensive backs bird he's gonna. Turn the number four defense and to a number one defense and all these empty promises that we were we were sold on. And see you just see that. What act I don't know urgency. Which is something right it had any complaints about this team all year is that they've never seemed to have that sense of urgency on the field. And this is the game where you're playing for. As Tyrod Taylor. You're playing for a huge payday right and potentially your job your buffalo Rex Ryan this is your team out there. Playing for potentially your job in buffalo and for that all to happen and this game with big back and forget I write for rolling these these interceptions. This game is a 34 scored JF and it's maybe not even if he walks yeah. And just eight. I understand the emotional high came last week against Oakland and it all fell apart. But he had a week to respond yet he weak to put that in the back your mind yet week to prepare for this team in front of your home fans. On a snow game which is something of me. I knew wade through. On anonymity stage. Called me to. Relying on. Beyond my little. Isn't anti age that men. We don't want to. Yeah I. You on sixteen. Going on seventeen maybe it's time to. Game. Milan V and need. About allies disarming his weight creep here than I originally thought it was listening to the whole thing you guys along songs mean what's what's love zone. Welcome back to the overtimes donate here a year Ramos and on the updates rank gates joining me as per usual on Jodie BSE on the board tomorrow on the BGR Sports Radio fight fiftieth Buffalo Bills. Football Monday it's presented by northwest make the switch to northwest and give back to living Howard and Jerry. The break the whole game down a few in the morning and I'm sure it will be a doozy. That it's the extra point show set patch or ten to noon followed by the John Murphy shown in three. Ensure open bulldogs they'll have air what on it for black head coach Rex Ryan at five followed by. More than a football match featuring the ravens and patriots. All of those football Monday Albany tomorrow on the radio home of the bills WGR. Sports Radio 550 so. The forward to break we talked a little bit about. Rex Ryan's future in the potential of change. You know happening with this franchise and down you know there are some telling stats that may suggest. It's not just from one game it's not just from. This season. When you look at it Rex Ryan is now four in twelve against teams with a winning record and includes one in six this season. The only win coming against the patriots without Tom Brady. Writes. Yes it's. That's right. That's pretty telling about Rex Ryan and I think you just look at. The stats of Rex Ryan even going back to is his tenure in new York and what though show images shows that is his defense that does what he prides himself on. And this system that he's running hasn't been working in years. And when he did have. Maybe the bass player at his position and Darrelle Revis to block down half of the field for an entire game. He's got a lot more issues in running his defense. Andy you look at every single year it's it's banned. In total points his teams have given up total points. In the bottom third of the week. I'm not even really willing to use that is ammunition Ryan I think Miami nation kind of goes back to this team not being able to actually Q what he's asking them to ask execute. And ending year to. You know as spades he so famously said they're fully pregnant this time they're there accepting of the defense they got rid of the naysayers cigarette Mario Williams who. I'm just wouldn't buy into the defense now he's got eleven guys in the defense side of the ball that a ball body and are already too. Take whatever Rex Ryan's gonna ask him to do and and how many times this year. Have you heard in a post game press conference well ten guys doing the right thing and one was and that's what led to that play or. You know nine guys are doing it it's just so old. Bet you can't still at this point you're to figure out a way to get your communication down to a science teams do it. Every single week there aren't as many communication airs at any team. That. I just this the better excuse to me is is so. I'm over I really. I just think it's a giggle it goes to show what I was saying is that this is evidence. For years and Rex Ryan always want to point out all I'd agree defense in Baltimore I had a great defense of my time with the New York Jets. Well in the last four years you didn't really have a great defense with a New York Jets Maggie gonna get remote mediocre defense which is what you've had here in buffalo. So I just think it's it's it's going to show. That there's more evidence to this and Rex Ryan is now. Is that the first coach in football history took to missed that policies and six straight season he tells old first coach first buffalo bills' coach too loud to 200 yard rushes and one season. Yes you know a lot of firsts yet and it's it's just frustrating because he he'll go out and it. He he's such good salesman when he money comes in to buffalo and when he's talking and it's his personality and he has a very bright personality that way he can bring people and with what he sides into an elevator in a classic sense of the word yet and just. Just the products. Afterwards that we've been receiving. It's just frustrating to watch that weekend and week out. When you have this great salesman. And he tells you that you're gonna get all these nice things and you finally get the product in its if it's cards. Got a million. Ali luckily there is such thing as the lemon lime unfortunately there isn't a universe lemon law. Eleven was if you buy a car after ninety days if something goes wrong with a technically the seller of the card is liable in you can events give it back and not be expected to Haiti full unfortunately. Below the line we're not in place in the NFL for him to swing wonderful indeed that is true it'll real fight if he wanted to date 550 to 550 let's had a mich and Florida he's been waiting patiently. To get his point across Mitch you're on the overtime shall welcome. Are doing well yourself. I'm doing I'm doing is the best and that it is in its unfortunate situation there a spiritual. This whole a couple of bouts over currency movements and scorched so. In a few points here I'm in the same business you guys were still a little bit. First I think Rex and company I gave them as much of a chance like. Just think they need ago. On our defense. Really is we have a deep solid top ten defense on the scene this year they would be well. The fact that they gave up. Two separate gains of 200 plus rushing yards and their defense and cougars. I can't get past that and dangerous. Libya and though he current or 300 but it really. Easily. Yes so that's my point number Warren. It's unfortunate I know it's tough to get coaches. Know all the turnovers. It's rock bottom. I don't think they're Super Bowl coaches my next foreign news pirates need to. This he's better than anybody but anybody beat pat sentence Kelly if you look at the statistics. Yes he made some mistakes today especially is number one error on the date today. Was when he threw in such very darker we got the turn over in their writ so it kept in the game. Kia threw the ball to sideline and one and hunter was opened up the middle field. Hunter wasn't the only one open match there is. Eight they showed. They showed a replay of it there was three verticals. And each of the guys there's three verticals in one deep safety the rest of the cornerstone back and I'm not sure it was a miscommunication on the defensive side of the ball. But it plays super confusing. To see where Tyrod Taylor had was on their plate throwing the ball essentially right to go to their. I mean he wasn't even anywhere near the vertical route he was ten yards away from any throw right to the core I don't play you're talking about. Yeah I had stopped but I just saw and hunter was next Eads has the right. You speakers while the social virtual dementia explore. It's and buts were candy and about so. I still think we should throughout the quarter orders period pretty EG try to improve Carville. I'm much risk drafting a quarterback every year. Are right guard right tackle CD that's addresses. Things we need to address in the draft those are Larry. Biggest glaring errors we need to get rid of trials clay he's bought in my opinion. Whether it's him or whether it's coaching I do not though we can't get anything out of him or spending way too much money. We need to sign Gilmore. And our training staff. I really feel like they have health held us back this year because a lot of Wear them players that miss Gaines. He'll. Probably could've played some gains and given these times. I'm Paul and in the outdoor practice every Wednesday and I don't think that column. Great teams are built so. Aren't I appreciate the comments and you know you set a lot and I'd have a lot to chew on what you said they disagree on the training staff. Point that is not a training staff decision on whether or not they're gonna pull players out on Wednesday practices that is a coaching staff decision. And I mean you saw the rash of injuries at this team came out of camp with last year. And I had no problem with Rex Ryan deciding that he wanted to rest certain guys specifically guys like Charles clay LeSean McCoy. For the stretch run of the season I have no problem at an end and I disagree with you on the Charles play point it was well I think today you saw. First hand what could happen and how successful this offense can be if he is eight part of the offense. You somebody's capable of doing he had a few nice place he got open in this isn't the first week but this isn't the first game that he's been open. OK he just hasn't been able him in Tyrod Taylor for whatever reason haven't. Been able to figure things out and it it's frustrating because all the talk in the offseason was all the work that those two specifically put in. In the off season and just has come to fruition at any point deceased except for today. And for you to wanna try to get rid of Charles clay after today. I just don't necessarily think is a viable point or option for this team especially the dead money that's going to be attached. To cutting Charles clay as fierce to find guilt or choice current talked. I would I knew Ricky I thought he over the past three games. Has responded to the criticism that is coaching staff the organization. And fans have put on his plate and he's responded nicely if not he had potentially Pallet the one of the best games he's had all season. What did Angel a brown do today other net one real big patch over Ron Darby that was really well defended. This passing attack is not repeat eagle's offense it was the one attack and let me just tell it. To say that Rex Ryan and his bills' defense coaching staff should have figured out a way to stop way get bell just I have there's fourteenth at thirteen other teams this season that are still trying to figure ways happily be on bell. He's one of the bus running to actually he does it all he does it through through the air he does on the ground. Let me just tell you there's not a template to stop the guy he's great what you want to see more of was this bills' defense have some passion and have some want to try to stop this guy because he made him look silly. Timing in in time out dragging tacklers and it was a few times and and I was unimpressed by the die by the performance that Zach brown put in today there were a few times where I saw him completely quit. Just a I didn't get to tackle and he watched as other guys tried to to pile on lady on ballots he's just dragging chat with you watched there were I was. I watched a couple of bills players and that defense played really uninspired football today and that's and he says more about who he's playing for rather than what. They're playing for Nate don't forget Zach brown is a leading vote getter for the approval for linebackers this year. He's a fan favorite. There's that play early on in the game where. Well beyond wallets behind us one of his blockers and there's like six or seven bills they're all converging on home. But no one actually gets in Amman and I think it was the first drive of the game I got knocked out or not he figures out a way to single out one time I'll get out yeah 3030 yards on the field and the kind of was this cryptic for the rest of the game how was gonna go do seem like any bills where. Able to do it to. Get a body on the beyond all the bring him down and he was really I think think he'd too much trying to decide to stop Antonio Brown. That's what they decide they're gonna do is doing all right we're not gonna let big band and Antonio Brown beat us today. And so the Steelers like all right well this look like beyond LBJ dime because he's. Really really really good in beating the best running back in the week top three easily. And in the thing too that I don't know I'm stuck in an area out with this team where. I don't know an N I don't. Know who to blame more how to find answers and therefore one person there isn't one person to blame the last collective blame to kind of low cross not in the coaching staff and players as well. Today showed me something and it's the first time I've seen acquit a team quit on Rex Ryan since he was. Coaching the jets to three years ago ornament and naturally it when that team quit. I'm Rex Ryan and as much as Rex Ryan's pegged as as players coach players love playing firming and after the game for Sharma quite samba my coach I'm so glad you brought me here well. You know LeSean McCoy is likely one of the only players and offered to sell the ball and I saw playing for his coach and and when I met by a debt. The it's. I guess uninspiring play of Zach brown showed more about. Who he was playing more than what they were playing for this team had an opportunity keep themselves quote unquote in the hunt. By a win today in a big win over an AFC opponent which they have not been able to win and if they can't win. For wanting to play that they don't if they can't win or put together an effort for that caused making the playoffs. That you have to put together that effort. To play for your coach who obviously none of them knew at the time he was potentially coaching for his job in this game and we won't know the answer to that. Until tomorrow if he's still with the team tomorrow which I suspect he will be I don't suspect he gets fired tomorrow. But you just don't know an in with the pool as they are I think one of the best owners in sports. I ended buffalo is extremely lucky to have two people who care as much about the community in about this team is they do. Vigor but in an extremely difficult position now. Going into this seventeen year this team not being in the playoffs their putt in an. Not only difficult but it uncomfortable position of having to potentially pull the plug and a coach that they like that I think they generally like. Rex Ryan and I think most bills fans although today you're hearing a lot of what everyone here wreck transit adult I think. Those kids generally like Rex Ryan I think you'd be foolish to not wanna see Rex Ryan succeed. I think it's the same with Tyrod Taylor it's of course you like those they seem like good people. Like Rex Ryan's account type of guy he wanna hang out with a beer with the lady seems like a cool kind of guy and Tyrod Taylor is it's hard worker rice the type of guy you want to see exactly. But. At the end of the day what do you shell at the end of the way it's about wins it's not about liking people it's an popularity contest and here we are again seventeen years into playoff drought pay if you're hanging on hold stick with me I'm gonna get to everyone as we can move there again. 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Yeah it can't be alone ought to might Ebert was behind them and not like the dark. It. Incoming white cop air repeat what they don't really thought. I eat a diet that. The victory. It's your it's true. Analysts are quite straight right. You went there but it didn't walk in it and she looked out that the them about why. Around eat. Right now that guy. Mister right. They want Pete I got no answers for your body and I'm in a similar boat than you are at the amid a similar boat demand appreciate the call I. Am I ready for change I don't know. Am I wanting change I I don't know I don't. Have a lot of all I see the problem is is is I just don't work and solutions III a work in. Trying to find out what the issues are and how old they affect his team in and I and everybody wants need to come up with solution as to. On if it's not Tyrod Ben what if it's not Rex Ryan Dan who with it's not. This the Jonas say I just don't have the answers that everybody wants in I'll tell you what if I didn't have that business I'd be working for the organ is a you wouldn't be sitting here and I was to jump like me if viewers you all those answers it's true rusher and end. The thing that you want to do is a fan as you want to believe that there is going to be hope for next season and and I feel at this point. That I. That tone of many bills fans is that with this regime with this. Quarterback. With this GM. With every one that's currently sitting here in this organization other than the two goals at top. I feel like a lot of people are stuck in a thing where in this position where. They don't see the light at the end of the tunnel eight and I think what's that once that happened I think that at that point you have to look at. How do you. Restore. The faith in your organization and and I think at this point as much as I really do I do like Doug Whaley a lot I think he has a mind for football. I think he does. It and as the caller Pete there mention a couple of really good trades early on in his career. As a buffalo GM since that no IA Ben underwhelmed and he's absolutely right about that Sammy Watkins draft. Inexcusable. But there were wide receivers in that draft are out there talking historical. When you look at other guys a new look at other drafts. This wide receiver Jeff may go down as one of the best ever in U worthy fool they traded up to get. When they were fell they would have fallen to we. Yet he didn't have to go up there and waste a first round Kendrick Meek of waste first round pick the following year an extra peck. All these things happened in. It just feels as a fan is you're human just stuck in the same position over and over again and even though that. I don't think people had these. Grandiose. Expectations this year I think a lot of fans going into the season where real about read the bills were going to be which was. Kind of right where they are right now. But it's just you watch it happened. In there's always those little moments every year where you get a little bit of hope where it's like okay maybe this team can pull it off. And of that and you get broken down again and again. Yes that's all breakdown that really takes a tall on you mentally in the league to this point. Which I think a lot of fans are heading an hour they already had last week maybe even before last week as they were. Super realists about what the bills' playoff chances work. Going into the bye. And what's your hit that emotional. Kind of level of despair and darkness about this team. And you move forward he won't continue to watch that and support this team but at the same time it's like taking at all on you it is a tough position to be in as a fan and it's a position has bills fans we've all gone in for far too long and I don't know where the overwhelming change comes from. And how did make the overwhelming change of sixteen plus years. Of organizational mismanagement especially when a new ownership group came in just two years ago the only thing I can think of is that. That ownership group has to be like we're going to take complete control and we're going to pare down the whole thing. Then I don't know that that's gonna be a solution that they're willing to accept this point I just I don't know. I don't know when I don't have the answers it with real fight 51888550. To 550. I'll look at sports right here at the top of the hour we come back you're listening need overtime show right here on WG. The Buffalo Bills needed a win and essentially needs to win out this season order try and break their sixteen year playoff drought. With against the Pittsburgh Steelers they were entering the game six and six point ran into Levy on battle. Second two from the buffalo fine. Roethlisberger. Winds of up for the eye coordination tonight and last night. It's enough Libyan rebel. Until that he strolls in for the. I was spells third touchdown of the day he'd go on to rush for 236. Yards on the day. That was enough to help the Steelers to a 27 to twenty when it knew where appeal. So pace and I mean it's it's incredible heat races Specter for five seconds before you can make that decision we're gonna go I mean Caylee she can get some of because you haven't always gonna go so he just sickness and accident industries at the last sect his game. That's Corey Graham talking about bell for the game reports swirled around the status of Rex Ryan's head coaching job is Jason Lott and for a first reported. That Rex could be fired as soon as tomorrow Hitler he wrecks your thoughts. Focus on the team that's that's about the whole thing a mom turned over to win a game obviously there are doorway and and that's what my focuses don't promise you one thing that's the first I've heard about rumor about it or whatever I never know until you guys just said sound so they'll probably tell you through this. The bills will now need an absolute miracle to get in the post season as the next face the Cleveland Browns on Sunday cake dobbs at 1 o'clock for new air field. As for the browns they remain winless after 23 to ten loss of the angles at home Robert Griffin the third returned to the browns' lineup and throws for a 104 yards and an interception. Currently an action right now all things tied up at seventeen in San Francisco between the 49ers and the jets that one would under minutes ago. In the fourth quarter the Buccaneers holding onto a 1611. Lead. In Tampa Bay that's with 64040 go in the fourth quarter they're being the saints the falcons absolutely putting a crush. A crushing blow to the rams. In LA they're up 42 to seven balance in the fourth quarter and the Packers there up 31 to three and Seattle with 1031 to go. In the fourth quarter this update is brought you by express mark listening tomorrow morning at 740 with Howard Simon for the express part stats of the game. Two and express backs new pizza loyalty program we can buy for pizzas and get one for free. See store for details express are your home of the five dollar pizza breed will some WGR Sports Radio 550. First and up and comers like what are your. In the conversations like he knows. Everybody have a right to this insurance you know he's free country absolute. Right to question we'll give it. Lost. In this to rule that we had them. Rex Ryan following the game if you missed any of that interview you can head to be terrified to dot com it's in the hands in audio section for those interested in listening. Welcome back to the potential make your year trying gates bring Molson pretty yes he would not on the board. Plane attuned to what nots. 27. To twenty loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers today the bills in the drought have not beat the Steelers. Not once almost none out there. I guess that's not really surprising. Yep stop teams got to beat AFC teams again this is a team that just it's. Robert. You're on the overtime show I appreciate you joining the program router power it. Hey look I thought man that much when you a little deeper than the up fire Rex Ryan and or. Picking up the optional eyler. Palm being a lifelong bills and we haven't done that and seventeen year. At that point that I remember. And it does that issue there have to be a full house one. I'm Russ Brandon and hear her at least seventeen up on an early the marketing guide. Feel Iraq should put up those slogans every year of eight and good jobs soccer a lot of movement and a lot of money out of bill sent to them Atlantic. I was an appeal backers are today with corner built and and we're on at the point. Why is this African and warn Matt and it's kind of feel like not left they do something. Different accounts with Chuck Berry here. They have a clean out that GM. The block and it was ludicrous what wire receiver. Load of clap there. And then he also audience. Obviously that I then they're making like 810 million dollars a year. What a quarterback that can't even middle he'll make note that like no one kind of think they feel like an organization. My point is. They have that you're equally doubt bill from the bottom up if Europe doesn't or is there running. And their teams that are going to accept all. Thing and dock. Eat you gotta follow there will. And not the awful built that until struck the Steelers patriots. You know dads while while the went well. You don't hear it was an act you don't you know that hatred and act what the point you know we're very obvious that order. Low level team in the amazing network. Even. Close the light. Being better and perhaps at that point and they in the playoffs. They have out now Robert I appreciate the call your disagree with you if this was a business decision there is no way in hell. That anyone including Rex Ryan. Doug Whaley. Any of those player any of those coaches org GM's or anyone else you wanna talk about in this organization it's gonna get fired it's not happening it was a business decision. Think about that for second. Rex Ryan signed a five year deal two years ago. They re sign Doug Weight to match that five year deal last year cell. You are asking an owner yet yes he's the richest owner in sports her goal is to eat. The contracts in the debt there's no dead money this is an this isn't an issue of whether or not gonna targets the cap would be critical player that isn't performing. To me it's not a business decision if you are deciding now. That you want to cut ties with her head coach your general manager your marketing guy and I don't know why it and I am so sick. Of the narrative that's about this is Russ Brandon salt. I I just I don't cost as I. Ask everybody wants to find somebody to blame here I did. Despite its distinct needs is really great and great at his job and you'd just admitted. It whether or not he Stoops you Indy you specifically into buying and renewing your season tickets every year you do it sold its 56000 other people in this city record. Steve for writing. For this team to be something more than it's bad for sixteen going on seventeen year you just want to fire him just because people keep buy tickets and get it. I did it everybody want to define the scapegoat our gear and nobody has answers in an I think what it. If it was like I said if it was my job getting answers a he worked for the for the organization working with a team I don't have the answers. All I can tell you is firing Russ Brandon isn't going to make your team go from a mediocre team to eight playoff contender it's just it that is not the answer. And I I I am not going to. Acknowledge or recognize it that's solution is a viable option for this team to somehow get out of the mediocrity. This lump. The ridiculous it is that has been this route. To somehow. Op Ed and fix the an upheaval and create some sort of winning atmosphere I think right now we're at this team's stance. If it blows my mind. That one team could never BE. Really bad at any point during sixteen years but never actually be good just stayed the same. They bad plus or minus six wins and plus or minus in it and bearing in two to three or at each and of the spectrum. For sixteen years that is absolutely. Unbelievable like if you at the pills hadn't gotten a seventeen year drought in front but any other sports team any other sports league. And so we said you'd have a team that literally would never be bad enough to draft number wonder it ever be good enough to make the playoffs he'd be like. But seems kind of impossible but obviously some point you're gonna hit rock bottom or some point you're going to figure out. And get over the hump this team isn't even this did not even good enough to reelected it hit rock bottom. This organization at least what the sabres have done it and it start your tank top now because it can tell it is it doesn't work in football. Because look at the Jacksonville Jaguars look at these teams it is about getting it. Straight up. To beat go to the NFL it takes 50% luck. And 50% of people know what the hell they're doing any organization it is you don't have a little bit each. You are going to be stuck in mediocrity like disorganization is bad for seventeen years in. Call what you will but this team an opportunity to take bull Coley a Mac and David Carr answered our car in the same draft didn't do. Stephen an opportunity. You have. Let's just go back in some of these traps in and really look because our. First round of the Buffalo Bills first round draft picks over the past fifteen years are laughable. If you want to look you point at. Why this team is that a seventeen year playoff drought its because they can't wrapped. Four but a I heard the word I want to use I can't use but they can't draft well. It. Bake sales cycles back it's not just a single person no it's not but. When you find the right purse after EJ Manny beliefs are free agency it it Stephon Gilmore leads are free agency over the past fifteen Drexel have. Other than your last two OK you'll have 11 round pick remaining and your team Marcel Darius. New York Times as a blessing before. If you go back. Past the EJ Manuel draft you know for trumpet how many good teams. Develop keep their good talent the good ones do. The good ones figure out a way to develop and keep detail when was the last time this bills team has at a first round pick that you could say well. He's the savior. I mean nobody saviors are out there. Very very there's a lot of there's tool. 34. That's yeah Ryan wins in the C maybe there are customary curiosity 85 that the Boe for the host teams are about RBI last seen in twenty today. I'd I did but pulled those teams are gonna be in the play offs. Yes you're right it is it's it's but it's still not as. One singles savior like it's not just first round exits there's way more to go directly first of course not of course not but you can look at a team like the New England Patriots how many first round picks they have. Well like I said half of its 50% locked in 50% of its people and organizations that don't help don't. Don't real fight 51 Tripoli fight to fight fifty Crist in buffalo enter on the overtime shutting troll Chris. Innate that technical chart that that rushed for any future XP every year can get my letter structure to see from the 300 plus. But reverend guy and stated prayed over a billion dollars to sit there watch those also. Some artists try to figure political. About a future. Arms to quick part of this is the closest game called into home plate appearances to Willie Parker. Just in both short and parent to get upward again in two which wrote too much into it and show up you know. It was slow up in the world in Denver Hillary is next year it's you know time move on to cargo into our. Crude challenging yesterday at all yet it's certainly you know. I think you know Bill Stewart are split snaps Byrd three touchdowns in. And got him on the cards they'd get it but you know saying that the defense did they'll keep two touchdowns or interceptions. But that tailored their offense local certificate can go and get the ball great and so. But I just advocates see how much you know clay it's involve someone else out there on the ball back there on the court here it is due to wrestle start turtle in order you to route and that they cost. Chris yet thanks for the call I'll tell you what if it comes down to rack she need to start Karr dale Jones that's coming from the top to save your job I think he'll likely start cardiology outs. Do I think he will say no way Tyrod my guy I'm not going to your away from that. But you'd be foolish. Now if he's going to he's going in. Arguing about who's going to start to games because. Management comes down is like let's and Tyrod is not going to be your next year and we wanna see what we have in this kid so you're gonna play him in restaurants like now. I don't want the only the only thing I can see is trying to be like. I don't wanna be the coach. That has the team that loses against the browns right and I see Tyrod Taylor giving us the best option to win against the browns that's the only way I see an argument for that. What. If your racks you've got to be looking further than that and it's more on the line for you than just losing a game against a potentially winless team. You got to be looking further ahead of your future if your Rex Ryan. And I would like to think is Smart enough to do and if he's not Smart enough to do that you probably should be coaching. The Buffalo Bills in my opinion. I agree if you're not going to be if you can't be Smart enough to 21 seeded future to wanna see the future and book had a little bit. You should be coaching a football team because a lot of what football is as you've got to be. Booking a hat and preparing for a lot of situations and it. You wanna be here for that future. It's senior best interest to find out what you have because if you can't admit yourself that what you saw today and what you've seen over 27 games is going it. Is enough somehow that I don't trust her decision making as a coach to beat my head coach next year. Let's see here let's go with Robert alma you're on the overtime shall Robert thanks for waiting. Well you know you don't just I just wanna make a quick point chair I want to thank capitalist you guys. I think correction beat Kuerten I think parachute descent and packet but the thing is I don't feel like you know and we're holding we're really accountable. Called up players that we haven't seen him play. In one minute Russ Brandon who hired Whaley that when Ralph Wilson in the key. Yeah I mean but that's huge yeah well he also hired to I mean technically I think he also hired a girl. If I'm not mistaken yeah and what you eat and you are the problem. But we all the way. But that's the thing Russ Brandon is now on the business side that's primarily on the business side thinks he's not. He's not in Addis that he hasn't done as an influence on the football operations sided thing I don't think any more what I think this team severely lacks is somebody at the top. And in whether or not that your GM or your president. Where your football guru this team lacks leadership at the top. And until. The two goals are able to put somebody like. I don't know name your football guru here and it's not that the Pope goalless haven't tried okay. They have tried to bring you garlic Bill Polian to I think that that was the right guy for the job how knowing. Would it have made a difference today. Having Bill Polian major football you. Know. What could've made a difference today if Russ Brandon. Was fired last year. No no so everyone is solutions. Aren't. Finding the root of the issue. That's why I think a lot of people all want to view Russ Brandon is part of the problem. I guess this guy just brought up by hiring different people in the past and Russ Brandon has. Was G ounce per short stint before and what wasn't Meyer who added yet taken over for him yet. And I think they look at things like that with Russ Brandon. And they look at like OK so Russ Springer decide to bring Marvin to take over as GM. Seems like a marketing move to get its fans back into the genomics. I think a lot of the rumors flying around where. Doug Whaley was super interested in bringing huge accident to coach this team but Rex Ryan comes in interviews and people and hold an event. All Russ Brandon probably sold the Google was on Rex writing being much more marketable players say you know what but that's often. Oh yeah I don't know I don't know I think really your eyes got big they are racks and I that's where I think fans draw these conclusions about respirator and I've always these rust rated things. It may come out all the time and I always say to people that a lot of people call enduring show available blogger something Buick are Russ Brandon is is part of the problem and I'll always like. He is really it's in his job and as long as he does his job which the previous two years you've done a terrific job of that because despite record breaking season tickets selling years or more this franchise. In the midst indeed. I mean just the worst the most historic part of this. This drought here he's Celtic around as long as he does that why why would have a lot and every day until that do you feel why would the Google is that any reason a firing the one guy in this organization that is consistently done well and making them money that makes no sense to talk about business decisions. That would BA pour. Poured it business decision on the part of the goal is just would be able real fight if you want to point 550 to 550 Tom and Louis in your on the overtime showed Tom thank you for holding. Thanks to get they had started the top three house all pink slips the guys that do that trip being in recruiting. Disgust. Decision not current initiative be a lot of it should stop the game and first and the first period for lack of interest. It you know what I mean what saved us a lot I had a save it's it's not a time Tom and I. Agassi don't really know how to respond I understand your anger in your frustration brick in buffalo year on the your time showed thank you for waiting. They don't you drop you before about Tyrod you know only one packer report situation. Once again we have another game person he's not going to be any different that he wanted. When he came out of college and so. You know like Ricardo and I could care less whether we win games are not what do you quarterback maybe you can hit receiver break. I can actually hit him in the operatives don't. We had a third down and clay was an adult he had a key sharply and waiting for the but the ball late April at talks in each of them Oprah asked her. Get broken under the plate yeah I mean come on man there and play to the right there. You'd actually get somebody else. I checked and we don't you know the thing that we don't need a quarterback. That's the next coming of patent and that we need somebody this year. And you don't get court analogy. You know what we're gonna go it the best thing about the next three games left. Against opponents that are gonna. It's not reported in the New England Patriots you know that you're gonna have a chance to actually go out there and it doesn't turn him loose I'm tired of watching our pride in Panama. Rick thanks for the call I am I just kind of thought something in Poland and I and I think it's. I think it's exactly why people. Are so willing and an end the people that are that are stuck on Tyrod Taylor and are ready to give up on it you know what it is a lot like. What it's a lot like is staying with a boyfriend or girlfriend because you don't want to see them be happy with someone else. In its the same and I and I really truly think this is what the cases for those apologists in those people that say you can win with Tyrod Taylor you just need a great you just keep everything else to beat. Absolutely perfect around you'd be successful. It's the same because you know what they don't want they don't want Tyrod Taylor recorded shots and be successful and make the jets a playoff team they don't wanna see Tyrod Taylor. Go to someplace else and be successful in the fear. The crippling fear of watching that quarterback not be able to be successful here in two seasons for them to break away. Watch him go somewhere else and be successful is absolutely. The reason why people are gonna stick in watt to see him stay it's the exact reason to me. It it's the same reason that people stayed crappy relationship for afterlife because they couldn't possibly see. The other person want to be happy with someone else. How disagreement that I'd just I'd just kind of look at it as a selfish aspect of the ball with the talk be like. And I'm not saying that Tyrod Taylor should stick around or anything and I'm firmly. Especially with that contract daddies do and I don't think it's obvious something that you read negotiable with the that's not act. Not let him know yet exactly. If it were me I'd lap in your face yet others view it. And you you you came with this offer we agreed on it in this the offer was pretty much a one year show me deal from dog lately that tyra reforms he was gonna get paid very well and it's weird I'll move on with our lives but that's not what's happened here. And I think that fear is legitimate I think they fear that someone's gonna figure out a a a system. That works very well for Tyrod Taylor but when it comes down to it. I I don't wanna I wanna be the team in the NFL anymore that has the best running game or good running game and good defense. I finally wanna be I wanna see a quarterback here I've spent my whole life watching this team with. Journeyman quarterback come in and out of the lineup or miss is on first or third round picks. I just need to see something of a guy. We had a guy who was willing to take chances on the field and that was Ryan Fitzpatrick a journeyman quarterback again. It's sad what I'm saying. I almost missed those years because Tyrod Taylor isn't willing to take any chances in the one chance he does take its to a double covered guy sidelined because he's not willing to look at other parts of the field because you only feels comfortable. Looking towards the sidelines he's making a throw. And he's not com dissenting that is not awfully good doing it. Industrial fight if you want AAA 550 to fight if you continue taking your calls for hanging on hold we'll get to you guys next are listening to overtime shall right here on WGR. Today he's amazing it's no other way to look at it and definitely this one definitely is some doubt and question. Patient I've gotten themselves back from a life strong just as some back problems in my life it's a salute. If I have to say he's flat out of me. Still safety Corey Graham falling game they're talking about the strongest. Running back into the clintons' life and that's Libyan bell and I can tell you being a Notre Dame fan that he did similar things against them. Notre Dame and during his great Michigan State that lives a power running back but he's turned into really a complete running back. In doubt really I think if he's not the best running back he's won a right next to Stephen Johnson. It with real fight if you want 85 550 Don and the bird down in my hometown what's up down. They ignored I do you you brought up to trafficking earlier this group since I was looking at today. Since 20092009. You go one player luck and keep. 2010. And there is actually now want player perpetrate a honestly. 2011. Depend now what happened borderline so I don't want 2012. You might have two players. It's. Just interacting I would. I would blow it up and start over. Yeah appreciate the call up Don I appreciate a lot Lian an Orchard Park you go in and hold appreciate you wait now you're on the retention. You rarely am. Lamy there. Going three times I can't can we for anymore. Man market Jersey what's up Markey on the redemption. Yeah I heard from everybody want to talk about how straps are required our current on the the only guy wants our skirts for. More to the ordinance. Whoever they choose to keep. Angela Bernard. Google or he could sit down these people everybody. And say look under our auspices. From that point on going forward. The number one mandate its organization. Irregardless of anything. Is quarterback. Currently and future we have a guy who we draft are required he's playing well there for years and we Hugo arbitrary like. Do we take him we don't worry about what went suffers if anything we slip on her serve this crap that's that were. I mean look at that I mean you wanna use a glaring example of the patriots they seem to draft quarterbacks every. Year and how many former patriots draft picks have turned into lease serviceable starters Brian Hoyer Ryan mallet. Not Jimmy drop most likely the next in that group of people Matt Cassel. I mean just go through the list of quarterbacks while they've had a hall of fame guy at the home for that entire period of those draft picks. They'd turn out to be serviceable starting quarterbacks in the league and I've gone onto win games and down and it gets telling mark appreciate the call. Let's Gilmore collier Joseph entitled Wanda you're on the overtime showed links for calling Joseph. Not be very fair question to ask you sure you if you are Rex Ryan right now and you'll. You're going to be sitting down Eric go to Carl. Wanna know what you tell us to what went wrong with deceit. And pretty much why should you eat them. And I cannot acknowledge I really think about oh I'm gonna hang out that you really gain over I understand. No I I appreciate the call Joseph had some I guess it's something that I I wasn't expecting to be asked dumb. Is it too good question. I think the only. If you're sitting there is Rex Ryan vineyard talking to the owner of this franchise is saying. Okay this is this is what went wrong for our franchise this year. There's no way you're going to do that with all throwing a bunch of people under the boss. And I think Rex Ryan is wholly on willing to do for the most part. I know he did Darrell ivories in with Greg Roman and I think that's that doubled down it's pretty much as far as he was willing to get out and throwing people under the laws I think what's your which are gonna try if your Rex Ryan anyways which are gonna try to preach is continuity. To be out I mean yeah what else what else can he going to there and say other firms are other than I need a thirty year and the only way. That this team can be where I needed to be is if I can have a thirty year that the defense gets an opportunity to. Get a third year of my system week we get we add some players to the pot that will accept Indy in. Do what I need them to do and my sister and be successful. And that's tough sell because that's a really tough sell this year was supposed to be in light. All right one more time one more time for fun guys we're gonna do this this whole thing it's a gun. I think on the defense side of the ball. The Williams is the how important are those guys this defense. Kyle Williams is seems he's the hearts all the deep thoughts here he is the heart and soul that that defense today didn't seem like that and the interest in playing. And he wasn't out there and it seems that you know there was that stretch last game he was still in there and asking amends. They didn't really get like going but they still made some stops they had some interceptions today but I. Really I I've placed those moron Ben Roethlisberger shoulders and do the defense shoulders. And it seemed. Deron Williams goes on in Miami game. And really go dove in TLC all up wheels to Arnold's off I think those two guys are so we're such keys to this defense and it's tough to say because there are only two players the defense you need to have guys be able stop ball but it seems like those are. Over the people want to ask where the leadership is what they'll see this team. If you're looking player wise I think those are. Among the top leaders of your team especially on the defensive side of the ball I think those are the top two leaders of the team I think. I think it's an interesting thing in them and think about as a as I was reading some stats that were cripple crawling across the TV just now. I'm about Robert Griffin in his. Performance today going 1228 is they brought her four yards and guy getting 38 yards on the ground and touchdown and and I just thought to myself briefly. On this fad that has been kind of going around the NFL all of the the athletic the OVE. You know running quarterback it's invoke it is what teams have attempted. It is what's being produced at the college level right now are these spread. Mobile athletic. Running quarterbacks and I think it's something that I'm gonna look into this offseason and in diving in to. Is how successful. In the past I don't know 56 years releases the emergence of the first mobile the first athletic league a gifted quarterback Michael Vick is under the leak. Now before Michael Vick at any running or any athletic quarterback that was in this league was still passer first. How have offenses in the NFL faired. Within Allard now that you have a pretty decent sample size of guys like Cam Newton. Guys like Robert Griffin. Guys like Tyrod Taylor. You know an end and I'm sure I'm missing out on some and some guys and again this is something that I think eight interest Meehan looking in in in deserves. Another book is how successful. Has the modern day athletic running quarterback really done. It's still to meet a passing league. And when you have I think the pinnacle the pinnacle of the athletic running quarterback obviously he's been Cam Newton getting to the Super Bowl last year. A year later. He's ME seven a tough time I think I think what it comes down to is when your defense is the best in the league. Which I've you could argue that Carolina's defense is right up there with Denver's last year was a clash of two really good defense is last year and quite honestly not. Super record setting a lot of people were ready to crown Cam Newton as one of the best new young quarterbacks in the leak. Well Kim knew I think. Maybe it's similar with cam knew it Tyrod Taylor's. Last year because Tyrod that was really is coming out party last year it was the same with cam knew and it was his coming out party. But he did help all of his weapons on the field who was so he was taking a whole lot. And just putting it on his own shoulders and I'm like I'm going to be the team now and this year. He said Calvin judgment which is all year he Jeff Helen let him all your he didn't have any receivers question yeah right and he was really. He did the Michael Michael Vick never had great receipt RC just did it all himself and I think that's what cam knew it was doing last year I think this year he's been trying to beat. More of that. Regular quarterback aren't going out there and doing running so much and taking everything upon himself to make plays. There's there'll certain times in games you watch him and you can see that in his eyes that he wants to do that. But he he's been trying to improve on that. Throughout this season and in media that hindered his game. But I think once teams start keying in on things like that just the way they ski on Tyrod Taylor. Knowing that he doesn't necessarily always keep his eyes on the field. He's not reading the middle of the field he's going to want to escape relatively quickly. The teams are keen on that and see that and they start game planning against that. And that's when he really learn about your quarterback is when teams are game planning against your cornerback if they're still able to come through. Right despite that I think maybe this and again this is I think an interesting thing to look at deeper. Is I think what it is is it's a failure apple coaching level. Maybe maybe not the player level may be what it comes down to are these coaches. Are now asking these quarterbacks to be something they are not in when you look at Camden this year. Far less rushing yards far less rushing touchdowns. In its because they want him. Two Altima and I think ultimately the goal is for all of these athletic he's running quarterbacks is that somehow turn them in. Two passing quarterback because it's not sustainable way to win football games because. At the quarterback position you can't expect according to live through year after year fear of hit after hit after hit. And in maybe it's a failure at the level of offensive coaches where you're asking these quarterbacks to be something they're not and ultimately it leads to their demise. Could we be potentially see a glaring example of that while no not a glaring example of that within the next few years because you hear John claim previously on this week. On WGR talks about how quarterbacks are coming out like they used to there's a liar or. Pro style run offenses in college and how it's all of these spread offense is quick easy read for these quarterbacks are not really. Reading a ton of defense isn't college anymore so as the and I fell gonna have to change so that these quarterbacks can come into an NFL system to be more successful. Or is it continually going to be. You're not really sure what you're going to be get. Right and again I don't think that there is just a cut and dry way to be successful on the unified I'd I think you can. Do a lot of things to be successful in the league. And how you figure that out is and I mean that's why people get paid to do it Joan buffalo you're on the overtime showed banks for holding Jody got. The you don't want to move to the next you know they don't have our. It is not a doctor and actually order hatton down another one rosters in the article how to pass by. Yeah yeah it was in the Russell Wilson man. You know you mobile quarterback so when you know at least you know you don't learn and it went out of so all that corporate practices. Well Joseph before but I'm not gonna cut job hunting company quite yet. Here's my a rebuttal to use though. Is since that defense has taken just just a step back. Where has his success really bad now. In that Super Bowl that they lost to the patriots they lost. An interception barrel from amber. Now again. You're looking now at his career this year and really last year what has that team try to do what has that offense tried to do it tried to hold him and his running ability. To make him more of a passer and they just simply put having head. The same success they had when they had the bass running game in the league with Marshawn Lynch and that defense that vaunted. Cover two that vaunted Seattle Seahawks defense since they've. I don't wanna say they've taken a giant step that but they certainly not bad and that unit that they were for that Super Bowl run that they had. And when you put all of those things together and you ask that mobile quarterback to be your entire offense like their asking currently. Him to be. I need to if you find exceptions now I know it's one game and you know what I'm saying only what what I'm seeing an animal that visit and I think you bring up Russell Wilson. Maybe validates my point a little bit more that maybe. These teams are asking these mobile b.'s running quarterbacks. To be something they're not in it's ultimately hurting their ability not only is a team or is an organization but that quarterback's ability to. Be affected an end in and I agree do you guys think Russell Wilson is probably more of the exception many is the rule here because I think he has a pretty darn good passer but. Oh yeah that same thing and arguably the ceiling and on mobile quarterback coming in my late Butte like oil is actually have a German. Over brilliantly enormity the irony that the current that are yet you exceed it. Yeah no I appreciate called exert. Yeah you too late. Yes now I I'm with ya in and again this is going to be Seth and I think I look into in the offseason because I'm sure have lots were to do it a thrill by 51. Tripoli fight you to fight it he goes the numbers if you're hanging on hold try to get you to come back we've got in if you wanna get too as well from I think it's. Corey Corey Graham the extra DBS he's got me coming back and that also Corey Graham only comeback elicited a potential regular to reach. Or. Man he's amazed. It's no other way to look at it. He's definitely. Bathroom regularly you know because in doubt any question. I'm patient like I've never seen in the back in my life strong just like Charlie Black ever seen in my life. He's just a group may I tip my hat to a man he's flat out amazed. View different as you get to the Huskers took action kind of ultimately gets. Yeah he's just so pace and I mean this it's it's incredible way he really suspect there for five seconds before you make me this is we're gonna go. So if you mean Caylee she can get some. Because you haven't always him go so he just sickness and accident industries at the last second. He's good at that time when you stated. He sits there in Center City KM thick that most I've used it most obvious displaying their gaps or by got to get these big gap he's been through a gap. Pretty much via right. But the how patient is racist or sit there sit there he's waiting for somebody to make a move and he's gonna opposite direction. So we got through our hats on those guys came out and you didn't do when they were better taint. According to Rizzo a lot of seats seemed like early communication issues on defense like there had been last year and doesn't feel old guys that you guys monopoly. Was anything going on there there have been different throughout the year. And I really I've see we have lot of packages such as patches and things like that so when they change personnel we try to change personnel. Well arm for the most part I mean me personally and IDB's we have really having issues with that in management last second because they might switch some at the last second as far as personnel things like that but it wasn't an issue at all. When you have a runner as ancient as. Does that make you. If you get to the spot before him or I mean what what is it about in the and so effectively so he can go a little. Mean obviously the man had I'm arts. That fit. Hum he had to and everything are so obviously it makes that a lot a lot tougher promised tough. I mean you can't. You can't guess you can't should you GAAP. Because a guy just release it vector and just wait for somebody to make a movie does the opposite. So I mean it's tough on everybody I mean you just gotta be gaps on the other state and just waited out weighted our way out. I see we into the tablet. More frustrating when you look back and it's much much much financial. You got to Hitler and Gaddafi one catch really big cash and then on top of that when you shut him down beautiful voice and then it does. That's the Sox have sequence that game is his or Steelers. Or seeing like you can't let Antonio Brown get behind you. So that was a big focus for us. We knew that we had stopped that and we was able to do that. But just this sucks because the second part is Leah Beth does. It. Yeah it sucks. We knew going into the situation. We knew we had to do. I mean it's it's tough situation. Some polite but do you weren't able to do it. And I mean we're not good enough. You. See this. And yeah. What does it what happened our way there is sort visually need to do we both got Tyler. We discovered. I'll come together despite repeated victories when it's close. The differences are honestly. When I was in Baltimore wee wee ones who provoked. Somehow when it was close or things was getting rough we found a way to way attained by the way went back to find ways to lose. How much does this team and he'll hear it right. It. We really don't think about that on the front whereby I mean when you lose their bright evaluated. I mean it's not just about wrecks and we hope we got to Devlin coming tomorrow this is I would if I.