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01-03 First Reactions - Howard and Jeremy analyze the debacle that was Doug Whaley's press conference

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He's always Simon and Jeremy. At a incredibly fast moving and extremely dangerous dumpster fire burning at Orchard Park. Barbara catalog one bills drive I think quickly exploded in size and intensity seven and nine. Not good. Ownership players this whole organization back and I say this much starts we'll make you are what your record says you. We're seven and nine so anything that encompasses the full cooperation falls on my shoulders and I take full responsibility. We just finished our weekly phone conversation was carried myself and Rex Rex asked to speak to him privately after that I was informed that Rex would no longer be our coach I wasn't privy to the conversation so I cannot get into doesn't. Back then. We'd have to talk to the rules we decided as a group that we did make it a committee approach and they would have the final say. And this time the ownership has faith in me and I think to myself and we'll see where it goes I wasn't privy to any part of Rex Ryan being fired until I was told by Terry who who. It's not policy were breaking in but with ownership statement. I didn't feel the need to come out my role is not to figure out why my role was to take that information and go forward and that this organization best possible way. When before. So for me I cannot. The organization messages if you look at the season in totality. We did some good things we weren't consistent we ran a lot of games we were highly competitive we're not afford wealthy were 79 team now do we need to get better absolutely. What we're not that far away none WGR. Sports Radio 550. Where does one begin. You know there's only one team in the NFL this year the Finnish foreign twelve. That went at all or just want the rams. Where does one begin. Actually this is how. Silly I am. I immediately going to the rams is the only games they were and if they want credit for heating bills game for being you know they were in the bills' game there rail lines game there and minus like most of their starting defensive line. Home and hear the rams losses write the bills in their definitely in death lions by three sit giants by seven Panthers by three dolphins by four saints 128. Patriot Lamotte who's of the falcons and some of the Seahawks niners by one and they say they are that they were close they were in a lot of games. That's what I wonder if they're GM knew that Jeff Fisher was being fire doesn't make it right that doesn't make the top ten of things that Doug Whaley said yesterday. All right so where to begin. You know I would I I got it wrong I think after corrected I I put my my column up of the website last night after the Whaley press conference in the oval teaser headline I think I got a rock. When Brad writer we hear and you work with him yes it was the truth detector not delighted to correct it was I gotta correct that it was the truth detector because you know we want. Claiming that anybody backed and was lying we are actually saying that they tell the truth and we're identifying true. Okay come I'm actually gonna claim their line there's I mean he's he's. Sold many times yesterday and I'm I know that's right that's harsh to call someone a liar. There there's a difference and they're not telling the truth we sure there are being raised at that win the column that make people feel better being disingenuous they're being oh baloney right they're full of bull Loney. You said it yesterday and if it if I I couldn't. It rang true so many times just today of Brad was here and they ran the truth detector and yesterday's press conference it would have been going up so many times you wouldn't hurt the press conference. Just be honest. Nobody believes the general manager had no idea the head coach was about to be fired. Amman really. And and I am and that's that's more believable in the follow up then it's more believable he didn't know he's going to be fired then it is that he didn't ask why didn't ask why doesn't do not ever even thought about not Rex Ryan being did you ever think no never thought about it. I. If you if you are OK I can't speak for you if you got fired today. The first thing I would do would go to manage to know what you guys doing what happens what it would be you read what lets go and here. That's what I got a director from a bus Jeremy is fired all right well I'll just do the show tomorrow on I don't even bring it up you know I don't not a bad thing about the fact the guy worked for twelve years which is. I right now and not just you wouldn't ask you wouldn't even think that right back that they and then audit. And then you would say maybe you guys think that's wrong that's that's me that's why am I don't ask the question onward and upward. And that's the kind of thing that yesterday I told Joseph wanna see if Whaley could get matter of Whaley could ever and ever appear like things weren't perfect there's the the great example of how. His mindset releases public persona is too. None I didn't even need no I'm not poured in oh all right well you fighter football coach. Hey look kind of team are you building you might wanna know that right you're gonna you can't share blueprints W picking the 53. And I might wanna know what kind of coach is gonna coach the 53 or vote quarterback or. Linebackers are the defensive take. I feel like you're coaches have a role and what your team looks like it. And Doug Whaley will he be told. Who they're gonna hire. This Khalilzad he's no different with any other will even ask that's the thing like yeah flip it around instead of making a firing decision making a hiring decision yeah Iowa I actually was even aware that Terrell Austin got the job and you know what I didn't ask why crime that's. Ludicrous like it. So it was. Pretty bad day at weigh in pretty bad Dave Williams bad debut organization. Is it really eerie it was a bad day for him it was a bad day it was a bet it organization. I wasn't surprised he did what he did. Because. Ended in its inching and phone lines are open 8030 by fifty hope may be heard it live. Maybe you know you've heard it since then you've heard clips whatever noble Bob was talking about all day yesterday take a lot to calls and will will spend. The majority of the morning. I mean I've got like two pages of notes of stuff that I just. You rolled your right I'm not I wasn't angry chairman I don't know how you felt I I saw the reaction on Twitter. There were some anger. There were some frustration. There with some despair there were different emotions that bills fans were experiencing. And then we're sharing on Twitter. But I will tell you that. Maybe I'm surprised that the extent of the number of non truths that were uttered yesterday by the general manager of the bills but if you listen to Doug Whaley without us on Fridays during the season you had to know what was coming. That and that's why I heard it I wasn't angry I rolled my eyes. But I also know that they're just they're just that's on the of the true. There's so many. I even know where to start yesterday Rex Ryan was the obvious one the the the Tyrod Taylor was bench we had if we wanted to evaluate what we had are you kidding me. You didn't know EJ Manuel can't play quarterback. You you you had no idea this guy couldn't lets a value 82 and further what the last three times Doug Whaley was on the show. What do they say about cartel Jones he's not ready he's not ready is not ready just not ready all of a sudden it was hey let's evaluate cartel Jones. The the stuff about about. This coach search is gonna be different though it isn't. Not geez he's leading the search and then guess what. But leading the search is just bringing candidates to that the goal rights to make their mind up see there's a cut this couple things and here I. What are the owners the owners wanna run the team's. But they don't want people think they run the team's. Because in all honesty in a different fans are gonna approach different ways Jerry Jones runs the cowboys right right Dan Snyder runs the rescue instruct. They openly run those teams and and they open themselves to criticism for football decisions because of it yet but they also gave credit when things go well like right about now Jerry Jones looking pretty good right and it. I guess I feel like if you want to run the team and you wanna say on pick in the coach I make decisions I don't like the quarterback I'm going this direction. It is your team you get to do that and I'm not even upset about that I don't care of by owner or owners wanna run the team. But if you wanna do it. And you. Wanna seem like you're not doing it that's gonna lead to situations like yesterday but you hire people to run. It in the bill's case of football operations he's the GM you hire someone to run your hockey operations department that's Tim Murray. You're gonna fire the football coach. And not even consult your general manager. Which OK we know that that is not true practice we know that Whaley boy we must we and we have to admit. That Whaley must have known that was happening well cared for gullah in his interview with a. Associated Press said about Rex they'd been having discussions over the course of the season. At some point if Terry goal each week is asking Doug Whaley hey what's gone wrong here would be I mean. How'd that how does Doug Whaley have no clue that it's possible the owner might fire the head coach who doesn't at some point. Doug Whaley the opinion included something about how yet the defense isn't doing well and it's Rex is fall. And all of a sudden he's like well oh what oh well really that's got fire right quick that didn't see it coming. Mean c'mon. You know it's like we wake up 1 morning and go holy bull I didn't see this coming. And you didn't ask why I got ranked right I just you know there was the thing about Russ Russ Brandon never been involved in football decisions. It. On do you think Pete far. Been involved in football decisions that part of around here. Think there's nothing I mean he did that and at its funny I said I don't get upset and I come on the show wanna start talking about a work myself up over. But. It was. It was I'd I'd made the analogy before this is say it's preparing a candidate for a political debate. And they know the questions that are coming the bills. That would what Doug Whaley said yesterday was nothing of his own opinion. Doug Whaley said what the bills wanted their general manager to say in a press conference to the fans. And it was a pick just about Tyrod giving Tyrod the franchise quarterback wouldn't even give an opinion on that might give it to bring it. What about the structure do you think head coach should report to the GM the owner. I have no opinion on that whatever whatever the bill that. You know I'm all for the team whatever is good for the team I'm forty had no opinion on anything right no opinion on what type of coach them one for us in the of the way we're going about our coaching search on wanted to evolves too many details because we are against other teams that have openings. How crazy is that treatment I think. If if do you first off acting are the bills that eagle autistic they think other teams are following their model. They've missed the pirates are seventeen straight years this is like deep you know this is the stands a show with the opposite. Whatever the bills are doing you do the opposite he's if it doesn't weigh at least accurate I heard that statement I'd like you're kidding me right you can't even give an answer to that. If Doug Whaley said yesterday you know what folks we'd like a coach with previous head coaching experience. Or the rams and jaguars in niners now adjusting their search for. To deal with the William Whaley says they want I you know aggressive forward thinking guy we've got to get one of those guys gateway Whaley said looking for defense minded head coach -- first of 430. Let's go into you know what we weren't getting in have you guys like that but the bills are going to let's go interview for three defensive coaches that's. The sturtze and he said. But but but and as I said I I'm I'm sorry I sound like I'm upset but I'm not if you he said. With the team wanted him to say the answers were practiced the I'm gonna get the answers were Hearst. You could clearly listened to it he had a statement he added you know wasn't privy to that the owners issued a statement. He was given responses and no matter how many different ways the question was asked. This is his response if they ask you about the economy you're gonna say this if they ask you about education. You're gonna say this and don't move from that statement. And I I'm pretty sure they ultimately dog remember less is better. Don't say a lot because look at him you you would agree with this Jeremy and says I'm not saying anything. That the that I mean to be offensive to Doug Whaley he's never been comfortable. In press conferences are live interviews he just isn't. He has a hard time with it depends on what he's talking about and I see outing he likes to talk about that that's that's his. Area that you better team you ask him about scouting out wicket talked about Tyrod and Rex is future all that and he would struggle with it. And you bring up a where you go on this weekend I'm going to Nebraska born in Michigan State whatever he is this all in to talk about that stuff. I'd imagine he'd be great. Gotta talk about about scouting off the year two like if you got a jig is when we talk about it because we will talk to Doug Whaley closer to the draft and he will not sane thing about players because. And that case you don't tell the stretcher after cracked and if you got him you know with a beer at a bar and said like what do you think about quarterback ax I'm sure he'd tell a doctor here often tell you all about how I look at Adam what you see which you don't see. But you know being GM is an exercise in. Going up there and not saying anything you know like I'm gonna not answer your questions I asked him two weeks ago it's a fine Gilmore was at the top of their list for free agent targets and he said they're all at the top of the list. OK I mean like you're here to not answer my questions I get that sometimes the nature of being in that position is so I'm Sergio Brown is at the top of their list with Stephon Gilder all at the top yacht. Yup yeah. I would hate Jonathan makes if you're listening buddy congratulations. You're right up there with Stephon Gilmore does legs Afghanistan. So in all of it it was a very bad day for the bills you know. Does it. And I acts such Jason Cole of Yahoo! look. Bliss job opening an illicit the bills and informal poll of NFL executive said an executive who knows who we call signal seven people and the bill's job is listed as the last job the least desirable job which not so sure if that's necessarily true as it just goes really bad. LA is being ham strung in a giant market with a white on the C dis loyal fan base they're just kind of back when Jerry guy off like. I'm not exactly sure that it's the worst job but that doesn't surprise needed seed and a fellow executives what exactly they got a great job yeah. So I don't know how bad is today how bad was yesterday. It to me is a dated scream and yell about obviously and it does indicate that their structure is. I don't think your structure is all that unusual but what he's than usual is there. It seems there there and their feel that they need to explain it as something else. You know the owner runs the team Oca right. Don that's on an happens. Evans a lot of places that's not unusual. You know sometimes. You're better at port at at hiding that other times of these wide out in the open like him but I'd I'd pick the players right sometimes your football people talk you out of it. Jerry Jones was talked out of drafting Johnny Mendes album. And some movement somewhere along the way that the deck press got maybe it was Jerry Jones that said. Give me deck in orbit. You win games nobody cares who runs the team. Yet but that for me I guess it depends any what each person does or wants and at the end of the day. Edie is his business the the puck to his it is an herb that is the broad goal his business. They owned the team so at the end of the day as owners they can do whatever they want. You know we have a level of boss this year we have a program director we have a general manager. And then we have a a C he CEO for the entire corporation this is one station and up. A large chain of radio stations as part of a big corporation. And at the end of the day the guy who owns the company or or the CEO whatever you can do whatever you want but the problem I have with egg again depending on what you believe from yesterday's press conference and what you don't. I I do have a problem with the owner. Not consulting the general manager about a significant move like firing at college fired coach Brady didn't say hey listen that. You know what we got to cut that we got to cut the fiftieth guy and Iraq to the guy just fumbled a big pot we don't need him around got up firing the head coach Jimmy that there is and it's the same owner group reaches continuity. Who fires the head coach in the same season -- two games that fire the offensive corner I'd like you know run that by the G yet. Now luck. The GM lets you know the GM could say listen Surat I I think that's a mistake. Bum thank you for sharing your opinion but it's my team and I'm gonna do what I wanna do so yet and that's an if you are one of. Alt and if you're tied into that guy in a big way that guy could Celek he's gone I'm onto the Gannett to fire me too and has happened before you know like yep if you're gonna doing that that I don't wanna be here either because I feel. I feel we're close. If they're close maybe we rewrite what ever review Whaley doesn't want Rex fired maybe he does maybe you and Anthony Lynn had been. Kind of working behind the scenes to make this happen like you know what I think we can get this to happen and it didn't get wrecks out the door if there are enough signs of lack of attention to detail. Or lack of accountability whatever it might be you know you plant that bug in someone's here they start to notice it more and more and lo and behold. You know you engineered a coach firing orbits just as simple as it does not to be that. It's it's as simple as hit the defense isn't good. And they don't even get a lot of men on the field all the time let's fire coach Ben Affleck right which it sounds like that's really what once. Look at it in in all of this. It it it gets to the the important part of the discussion. We're gonna spend morning the morning talking about what he said because a lot of it was so preposterous but the important part of the discussion I think are two things what. Does this hurt the bill's chances of get in the god they want to be head coach probably not thought I was gonna say. I don't think so because it is still a head coaching job in the national foot and a league they're not exactly shooting that high. They're not I mean I had no offense that I got they're not even gone for like the top guy and the the guys on the market Josh McDaniels right. I'll show they're not going to a list not to say that entity Lin is a secondary coach because we'll see how he ultimately has let's be honest. This is big the names that have come out Sean McDermott. Will leave many fans of the a who what and you wouldn't have trouble convincing frank wrecked their job if you wanted frank Harold Goodwin ansari who take. What these guys are gonna be too good for this job may be. You know sometimes when your assistant your hot coordinator like. Josh McDaniels or Matt Patricia is a good example of the first time you get a job you wanna make sure you take the right job. Because if you take the wrong job next thing you know the shine comes off your name and you've got to build it back up over the course of ten more years so. Jim Harbaugh is a guy like this right when Jim Harbaugh was coming to the NFL from Stanford it was about finding the right job him and he did it. And did well with it and then they kicked mother or because they're dysfunctional to. So the bills you know is this gonna prevent them from getting their candidate. Probably not but then again their candidate list might be lessened because of this stuff. Maybe this is why Josh McDaniels won't give them the time today or why met Patricia probably wouldn't or maybe they wouldn't because they don't wanna compete with Brady and Belichick. It's funny you know what's. Popped into my head or just thinking about I don't remember when he said it. But made maybe it was when the ballistic over listener Russ Brandon says something about was that no maybe it was at the sabres of the bills. Transparency. It was Ted black on the sabres you remember the blizzard ball. When if somebody is that something about it's all about transparency we don't wanna hide anything from the fans we want to be honest with our fans might have been a sabres thing but whatever it's one buffalo. This that the it was frustrating yesterday because I think as a fan you listen Judy think they're feed me a just a load of bull and as they said. I I don't think it. You know that one of the questions was hey Doug DeVon got along with the last two coaches you know. Around quick way you are Ryan was fired. Well it hurts you is your reputation around the league's Sully door bell in old. Soiled whatever and you won't go to get a good coach I don't think that's the case as I said. It's still ahead coaching job in the NFL I don't think they'll be having this grape like the bottom of the barrel and get you know. Just anybody to take the job I really don't. I I also think you know in in terms of no. Whether it is to whether it helps the team doesn't help the team winning losing whatever. I don't see don't put a lot of stock and that is just frustrated because you'd like to have an honest answer please tell me the truth don't act like we're. You know four year old kid who can't handle the truth please be honest with your fan base and they worked on this with a fan base yesterday and I do think I don't need. A head coach reporting to an owner. I want a chain of command I wanna head coach reporting to the GM and the GM reporting to the owner and the bills don't have it that way and I don't I'm not sure that it's going to change. And it just you know the idea like I said the idea of the GMs is supposedly not knowing what's going on. In the press conference screens at this guy doesn't wanna be a GM he should be a scalp he shouldn't be in the position of being in general manager he does he says he's. He's responsible fight for final language on contracts baloney he doesn't get involved in contracts and even. The limit that they set themselves also publicly said when it comes to contracts and agency Jim over corporate Russ Brandon. And yet I don't I give credit to win at least be in the loyal soldier he sat there yes nanny took the bullet for the organization basically he said on the darkest up. I have final say a language of the contracts. No that's not true. Isn't that hard to say no I don't emitted. Well there'll be theirs they're aware of the perception. They're aware that of the perception that Ross runs football or makes decisions in football so they're very. Sensitive to any implication. That decision is out of the GM's hands again time and that comes in gym over or two and and that's because for better for worse you fans here those two names they've been around forever and they associate those two names with failure. So the bills won a distance themselves from the people that are in their own organization when it comes to. Those decisions now there's two things you can do own up there wouldn't say that's what they do that's what Jim overboard because this we have lots of guys around the league and have roles just like that jerk. The alternative is. Dismiss them and get other people that people are mad that so you know you could just say he does the contract which as you point out they have said publicly before. So as bad day for the bills that they. Acted the next coach. Draft Sam de Arnold and he's three years. You know what you know there's guys we got to get the break does a guy want to talk about him. I I couldn't get the sleepless night near so impressed by Sam does he would freaking amazing. All my god he looked great river how you felt about Lamar Jackson. Holy crap well damned Arnold is awesome. Mike Jackson did and Heisman but he definitely tailed off the did season but I I I watch that kid that's like on. Abkhazian 2018 draft no. When did the bills have to tank to get to the top of the draft yet Sam Arnold yet that blow this is another part of this which I'm sure many people we met me for saying bottom it is my opinion. Two to three years from now the different organization will be really dysfunctional and horrible and going through all of this stuff and they'll have. Laughingstock if there's and then we'll dress and Arnold when a bunch of games and that we talk about the change culture. So I really believe that's pretty much out works. The best way to change your culture is to be starting quarterback so on the I'm still thinking draft in one. Smith are like all yesterday as I thought our man you just these you'll get your quarterback it. Not really but you know it's another thing too but he's dead we're constantly trying to find the right quarterback not are you kidding me I think that. Not. They've got they've had bodies in here they tried Kevin Cobb there's our bodies actually tried Kyle Orton tried a lot of different things. They have an often tried first from tech they haven't. Tried second round pick right they certainly haven't tried the draft the guy what we have a question mark on our roster usually they wait till it's too late correct. That's not constantly trying to find the right mix this year is a perfect year to do it and hold crush crush your fingers hold your breath.