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Quickly relay. Nolan Patrick he's the number one ranked skater in. Central scouting. At the mid term of doctor Chris Baker. Sabres prospects dot com at savers prospects in nine. The 510 minutes here when he gets a breakdown of the top guys in the draft because you know sabres might be whatever well the might of a lottery pick either way. More than likely be well. Our chance that lottery should say so talked Chris Baker in a moment also wanna give the latest on Alex in the Lander to. I wanted to or to go through Sam Reinhart a little bit here with. Chris as well because you don't want the sabres losing game generally it turns into a opportunity to discuss whether another sabres good players are good anymore. The public to do that so we'll do that but before we do that let's today with today's deal of the day it's. Are you ready to try the best ribs you'll ever eat. Boise. They still they from my buffalo perks a twenty dollar certificates of VW smoking barrels barbecue and blaze sell for only ten bucks you love their mouth watering ribs juicy tender chicken. And so much more remind buffalo perks dot com that's today's deal today before it's the sabres are what is one of letter Bono like maybe you're just drive and and you didn't hear but the bills. Quickly they don't have an offensive coordinator area there's the looking for an offensive coordinator. The names are drying up pretty quickly you have were not Ken Dorsey. Who was the quarterbacks coach for Carolina of course the would have worked with Sean McDermott on the same staff. The name that bring us mentioned Brian gable Ryan Babel I remember that frost Saint Francis grad. Works for the patriots now wonder Josh McDaniels as apiece in New England beat Daniels left. That he would be the guy. To jump up and mcdaniels bow and Daniels is not leaving so that the natural speculation as a maybe he'll he'll leave speed he's left New England before. He went to Cleveland and to Miami into Kansas City. In nine different times and is now back in New England. If as is the case and generally when ever a point this out I don't think this speaks to the caliber of coaches as if they are bad coaches but as is the case with most products out of the New England system and annoying when coaching tree. The trees a lot better when Tom Brady is is sitting it and that's and they get the case for him as well. You know it's tough it's tough job you get an offensive coordinator gig without quarterback. You end up looking bad. Tied at right back into why the bills seemed to have trouble finding an offensive coordinator right now so. Maybe they could snag him you know coming back home back to buffalo I'd bush have reasonably derby circumstances to make that an appealing thing maybe brand and again. If you work with Tom Brady and the best quarterback and if you were for the rest or racquetball time. The most successful franchise in the last twenty years would you leave that for the bills. Maybe for family reasons maybe for other reasons you would but I I've always felt if you left New England to come to buffalo. You are. At the mercy being mocked relentlessly while the people used to work with so is it possible I suppose it is. But Ken Dorsey is another candidate. Alex Van Pelt have been mentioned vicar she's saying there's not much to that they're they're having trouble finding an offensive coordinator and maybe it's because they are lost a little bit. Kind of lost in the desert. Well I have the feeling that they're kind of doing this thing on the fly and the GM has kind of let me down that road again. It was at the search for a coach press conference when Whaley talked about being close we're close right. We're close now all. It's not about how close they are now it sounds like it's about a rebuilt. The main focus we wanted. As a guy I coach. That had core values but also looked at a long term vision we're not looking to just make the playoffs we were looking for a coach that agreed with us that we wanna build it from the foundation up. A team that can consistently compete for championships. So there's one answered a question I had we were looking for a coach that agreed with us. It's a coach that says I'm not here to get should the playoffs I'm not here to put a band aid on is engaged in the playoffs I'm here. Whaley said builder for coach for ten to fifteen years rightly ought you know 1015 year contract but they look wanna look for a long term guide. Well Sean McDermott is the guy they hire they say it once did they wanted to have a long term kind of thing and that it's not gonna be quick fix anymore. Gonna start with. The core values instilling the core values and our players and in this building and starting from the inside and working out it's not going to be a quick fix he knows that we know that and anything that's going to be sustainable for a long time it's hard to do so the work ethic. Not only from ownership down is going to be permeated through this building but it's also going to be permeated in that locker room. These guys got to know and they will know that there is a standard that we are setting and we have to try to strive to live up to that standard every single day you walk through that door. Merry go. Yet to live up to a standard build culture of the coach said all about culture and now the GM is talking about. Culture in Carrick terror and yeah. It's. It's about a rebuild now. And I died tweet this out asking for your thoughts on this are you down for a rebuild three weeks ago Whaley said they were close. Now he says it's not a quick fix and it's not about making the playoffs. If that's what the owner thinks that it's not about making the playoffs I'm OK with that. I actually do believe that idea that you should. Not just. Always look at the hill in front of view which is the playoffs he should be looking at the playoffs is the hump you wanna build a championship team. However I do not believe that a football team needs to terror now and to do that hockey teams I believe do or at least they did. Now the tanking his band really eliminated in the NHL because of a three team lottery. You kinda have to get lucky to get one of those great players Kevin tweeted enemy you must love this because now you're the tank man no. No I don't support tanking in football really. It's not the same. The reliability of the draft picks. The importance of the positions in hockey it's a no brainer if you're near the bottom you should get to the bottom in football. Just doesn't work that way police got in my opinion cornerback selections of top. Draft classes are different premiered a year you get bigger swings and how important draft classes. Imagine picking first overall one year and you have the opportunity to take Andrew Luck and the next year you're taking Erik Fisher. Can you imagine a bigger swing and how much a guy can affect your franchise. Whereas in hockey year year year wonder ones are. Nick David Matthews. Aaron act glad it even guys that are number two was overall are incredible players. And hockey you're pretty much guaranteed successful players good players employer in like 50% if you're lucky. And why in the world the bills at the terror written down or. They're gonna dump Tyrod OK I understand moving on from him in the long term vision but. Tearing it down. Or rebuilding in talking about how it's gonna take time and now they're gonna get guys with with Carriker. I feel like we've been down this road before and I'm not impressed. And he's not impressed with the chatter. I was week two was when I said I don't need to see anymore Tyrod I think I know who we is and I'm gonna draft a quarterback right. I don't need them off the team like I need to read error I need to bills to acknowledge that they need to do better. I think they've done that. But now all we can get to this moment and you think wait wait wait you'd you don't have to goes this far. You have to play cart Al Jones and finished. With the third overall pick whatever it might beat you up to go out and say we're gonna draft Carriker guys in the work ethic from the inside out is gonna be really impressive. It works like this site I just don't know when GMs think that these these statements they make about. What kind of team they're going to be impress anybody. To the fans I say we recognize the seventeen years absolutely what were asking you to recognize we're trying to build something. For the long term sustainability. Of success. And I can't give you a timeframe as you won your two but I will say every game like coach says you'll see a competitive team out there. In position that won't be themselves and be in position to try to win. I mean it's like rattle the sabers book. It really is it sounds like it's right out of the sabres book of we are position we wanna build something that's gonna succeed long term. Well okay you wanna do that there's one way to do and hockey get great players franchise senators and franchise defenseman you know get great players. And in football there's one way to do it in its not core values and it's not culture it's get a duty and throw the football. So they wanna do that good but I'm not gonna give anybody credit for not beating themselves. Funny team all four of these teams that are here on that are to play this weekend spend the year beating themselves and their quarterback pulls them out of it. Mike McCarthy righty is not to be very good with the clock management he's got to be good with lots of things Aaron Rodgers bells amount of time. In New England I see them make mistakes ice if only they are on the giant people played a lot of quarterbacks gonna bail out. In Pittsburg ran out so much anymore Ben Roethlisberger isn't quite what used to be but he still pretty good. So you can go and have your core values in the patriots will just you know. They'll jam your communications she can't communicate well and then they're quarterback's gonna throw all over you and and a guy that you use to have on your team with forty catches not a catch forty balls for them and to talk about how he fits their culture he's the same guy Chris Hogan just keep used to that this week. A reception you know asset for them. Their quarterback. Is sustainable path is the quarterback. But it looks like the bills are gonna talk about. Culture and stuff like that and eventually find monitored or try to look for want the process itself they say will be collaborative. I always thought the GM stick that butt. Last and they went collaborative they when he. And obviously that did not work so they're gonna do it again with a different set of people different that a criteria. It's got every chance to work that any other team does strap the quarterback it's just to me. Talking about tearing it like tearing it down or sounding like you're. You do and rebuild three weeks after saying we are close. And just sounds like this team is all about about faces are quickly to John John good morning on WGR. A good morning. The cricket on the part are certain that will it comment. Obvious bit thicker on that are both bill and culture core values are up about it it was the cultural core values up a I really you equity look out for a better culture. But. Is that it or what I'm really. Ask for our years well you spoke with guy. Smarter than that spans the effect quick fix to make the playoffs. And you know we have an epic quarterback inflate chipped it building toward your long term value long well. Strong here. In the past and you know. If that now he's been doing in the future although I think you should call where. He ought to be that guy is who. Who makes that decision to set OK I know of a grant automatic but well yeah a lot of web back to the long. And all of you real impact if a guy who completely lost. We're like you don't want Iraq. Ideal what direction. You know the ownership and the coach or for everybody it seems that such a such a different agent acted like really. It's completely off base here. Well John if you had to our website Mike Cho has a good article about this it's a hypothetical dream scenario where the owner comes out and is honest about what they want Mike. Lays out. Public of the press conference with the owners that say hey we just don't think Tyrod is good enough to as Super Bowl we're gonna keep trying to we find someone that that that is that. And if they say that an in our honest about that I think a lot of fans to respect it if Whaley said Danica I could kind of respect it. But. I what you said is right he's been running this roster for four plus seasons now. And now it's gonna be about work ethic and now it's gonna be and how about out Carriker is as important as talent. Because it wasn't one address the Carlos Williams and a wasn't when. In only are you wanna talk about a big contract extension to marshaled our city can't count on us they feel like that's a fair criticism. They've had their character problems every team does Pittsburg does New England does. Atlanta does. Green Bay does all these teams have bad eggs. And it I don't know Bill Belichick walks the podiums and talks about the reason that we win is because of the characters in our room his slogan as a team the whole Dewey your job. Like inside of doing your job is. I don't wanna hear about any other stuff to do your job he doesn't want to ask about whether this is a good person or not and when asked about whether or not. In L this guy gets along with this guy or what the work ethic is what it's like hey listen please do your job I don't care is do your job. Is it a very simplistic approach but it it. Kind of in their has a subtle and I hear about it but what but he's got problems tell somebody else does victory does its job. 8030550. Are right two Chris Baker sabres prospects on Twitter and NASA airstrikes prospects are com Chris how aria. America's or Harry you're doing all right Chris on the AT&T hotline I wanted to get John because the NHL's central scouting mid term rankings came out. So a lot of go through those known to quickly talking about about the Lander and and and where he stands visiting sabres fans desperate for offense wanna see him up here so let's let's get to that secondary. A second. First up though the the rankings that this kind of draft if the sabres were to win a lottery pick 12 or three. What kind of talent is up there what kind of draft is. Well you know I it's in overall the first round and Nate I always go to here. You know they were mentioning but really at the top Internet. Over particularly down the middle a lot of quality and it meant. There's an ankle right. Couple wingers. Not losing grants. And are losing a dumb yourself on Steve you try and okay. Really you're looking at a equality for you know both with that 200 puts Letterman and really get snipers as well. And you know you're gonna have a couple guys here at our also you know so. And deacon defense then especially from Europe that are going to be in this class that are going to be were tracking the next few months. Decent defenseman is at a show I feel snake bit because I feel like that's of the sabres need the most. And now working. Our rights are crisp both bold bold will try and hook it up again some other time unless we can get him on the front line disappoint. The guide Timothy little Liljegren around and has his name at where we're at this stage of the draft where I don't know how to say everyone's name. And that's you know that's part of the process. You just you do that you're still learning about these players one and out they how they pronounce their names there's there's there's some tough ones in there. Nolan Patrick that when I've got hey he's the nephew of James Patrick by the way which by the way I sit by the way a budget times right now. Which. Coincidentally. Can anyone else think of a nephew. Of a former player in the draft. Nolan Patrick Chad Kelly the year of the nephew when he seventeen drafts the year of the nephew anybody and that it in the lottery tickled Patrick. If there were when the lottery in the top guy and the board is the sentiment at 200 put cinnamon. I think that opens up a conversation about. One of your current sentiment. The BI and I think to like what Columbus didn't how they treated you Hanson for Seth Jones and I wonder about trading. Reinhart for a stud defenseman. If that's out there it's anybody you know you out and you probably going to yet. But if you win the lottery may be trade that spot if you look if Murray laws right or too much. But if you in the lottery and you're ready to take a two under percent of McMillan Patrick or something like that you're certainly not treating Michael. And on. You know would you would you flip which we you've you've got to try to find somebody on the back end. That's gonna help you and and how many of those guys can step in right away the sabres new needs already stepped in. They've got roster decisions to make of course and now. Town like. Winning the lottery and really wanted to win the lottery last year. Chris is back good good connection different ball and I Chris we were a little tight on time but. On. Joy to put cinnamon you mentioned on the middle but at as I've quality of the draft what would you say. It's not a strong at the past couple years and Jeremy that's going to be the six strap that you and I actually worked together bought back 2012. Gas when you look at it probably rivals or that twenty well class. And it really nice player the top Nolan after you know we've we've had the ability to watch it two years when the credit we. And it just sensational either 200 foot sentiment really Smart player piled up like let's Brandon. If it didn't number one even noting that the majority of the season to date. What serious injuries and he came back the other night or five point first game. Pretty much put himself back on the map or all after M. Shares of player that old and a lot of walks down the stretch here. From the Quebec junior league got over there eagle outback watched a championship. He was sensational for Switzerland. Highest scoring draft eligible player in the air and then back Goodspeed crate and its ability to the net but more importantly they're Smart sure people player. And you know when you exhibit those attributes such a young age. It's it's really remarkable that can do and that's for sure there are cocky so you know those are the top Q. And then you know you have other guys that are you know not Letterman but two players in the Ontario league I think that are worth watching accuracy restraint Ugoh clarity when it at all these Geithner. Not that bodied players were really great release but you know and it every week played out on art soccer goal. He scored 34 times in 41 games this year as an example so you know it's not like. Eight and really poured draft class but we've been spoiled by the pass out. Not just silly Nolan Patrick while he'll be a number one pick this year. This is the kind of thing where they'd say he might not be in some of the previous drafts. Yeah it's hard to say like I mean Mickey's not I don't think he's. I goal you know Knick David Matthews caliber in I might be more along the lines that it can caliber player in that will be done by encouraging that it's. Now how about Neil Lander what's going on how how do you feel about him his progression. You've got sabre fans that are frustrated in one way to get over frustration is to see that the young guys the new draft picks will how to the kids look. So you Lander Tim Marie talks about a Mike he'll be ready for next year and when you see what he's done in Rochester and his level of development in the in the juniors as well. Are you optimistic on where you forecast some and would you expect him on the team next year. Very optimistic very optimistic the favorite had a very talented player here who's gonna be. A really good NHL and I and I delicately reputation alliance speak an absolute right but it pretty comfortable doing so younger. Now if you look at right now in Rochester he's adjusting distort just into the game. Before he played in the Ontario league last year this peculiar read a special things we Douglas Alcatel Q1 of these guys. Who was playing against man at a very young age he's adjusting right now is not piling up points when you can see. Bad you know but the light coming out for you start really figured out just speed using his hands. Can make plays and buying you know his his vision is passing game is right there where it needs to being Alex is doing it every night about achieving consistency. So I understand sabre fans frustration they totally get it. But he's not the answer right now to come out and just inject ox eight. He'd offered these millionaire adults and eighteen year old kids you have to take the long view here okay and I think that it's worth. Waiting a little bit. Okay how likely come into the zone in a deterrent for the past week on the puck a little bit and find that open guiding its way to the locker well that's the same irony under. Let's give him a few more weeks to adjust I'm I'm still thinking you know. Late march meeting here mid march and get a look April. Get in the games you know in the game get in the case because that can separate Parker is a really important ops. And he's he's playing on merit and aides were not many guys play that young. Youngest player in the league right now. Besides that what mentally RB went back you know down the Bakersfield he became a player by now you don't get eighteen year old in the American League Berry out and that's like a luxury and what the probably came into the season with a controlled plan for the cake. It probably have a date circled on the calendar. That they're gonna say you know we're gonna column appear working merited or not eat it or not they want it a case for doing it right now that it would be shortsighted. Right Chris were short on time will catch up in the future I'm sorry to ask her about the phone that's OK my bad. That's so that's OK of course a folly for draft coverage in Nigeria boost the podcasting you guys are half our hockey podcast. The half hour hockey show yup second semester and it's on myself than we ever really next guests lined up and actually out to. And oh a lot. I'm very good we'll catch up soon maybe next week or a couple because of the sabres if they continue down this road you know wool out our will opera draft coverage. I am always available are thinks Chris Baker at sabres prospect on Twitter here on the AT&T hotline I mention this and I didn't get to yet the former rate by GM the Rangers Neil Smith. Join my children bullet yesterday. And basically breaking down the sabres. What he sees from them what he thinks from them if you are sabre fan that like if you're like me which is not like everything's ruined. But many years kind of been a bomber. Neil Smith can help. I don't think they sabre fans should be angry about where they are this year may be disappointed yes of course because you know he almost wanna think -- on the cusp of making the playoffs are right here fighting for right so again but as far as an organization of development goes it is ours where they've come from and where they are now where they're heading towards I think -- and wrote the check you need to have a star player at the vital positions every the first or you've got to have an excellent goaltender can look at any team that makes it very far in the National Hockey League it's because they goaltenders are able to carry them whether Hendrick Lundqvist in new Yorker Kerry price in Montreal seven duke right now in Minnesota those goaltenders are carrying their team and they're carrying them behind -- could dissent which is usually anchored by one star defenseman in Minnesota you've got Ryan suitor it got let paying in Pittsburgh. You've got Shea Weber in Montreal so you need that start the defenseman Matt guys that can make the great. First pass he can jump in on the offense but he still really good defensively and then up front you probably need at least once. Star player if not two to three if you when you look around the league you see that on teams that are doing very well they have a guy out there you can depend on is gonna put the puck in the net at least one or two guys that can make terrific offensive plays every night when you look around the league. And he goes on to talk about Michael being being that of one player to build around it. While the season isn't going well you still do have. That and it's obviously very important that from former. Stanley Cup winning GM sell about Joseph series gonna join me in studio if you been. Talk and herb with me this morning talking about dog wail these change in now. Approach. C would sell has to say about how big of a change really is and other bills but caulking like a sabres rebuilt cell joins me next earned every year. These sound comply GO. I'll tell about shield itself up dungy ills combined shield itself apology though set out coupons GO. I'll go upon GO sound good I feel on WGR. Silicon module joins me here in studio for a full hour Howard Simon off today. Did you see Russell Westbrook travel from last night I did not ol' boy. Do you ever have to see this thing is I'm I'm assuming it wasn't called a no it was all okay well. It was called heat the inbound the ball to Russell Westbrook could play in the warriors and he turns. And he walks. Approximately six steps as if he's refereed. Walking the ball over to the scorers table a and they they dig him with a travel because but it. Clearly he. What's the thinking what you've got to seize think it is tremendous soap find it on Twitter where every need to Russell Westbrook travel are right. So good morning. Aria. I'm excellent guy you know it's they've just been. Lots of trying to connect dots figure out play detective I've been playing detective a lot lately Jeremy yes figure out who's gonna be. The team's offensive coordinator thankfully the Charlotte Observer had the news that Ken Dorsey actually did interview because so are just been a lot of smoke and one hearing in reports out there that we don't know this is at least something concrete the team obviously has confirmed it but. Looks like that is the case she. Oh did I have any thing about Ken Dorsey should I think that he's anymore likely to get the job because he is the one with the former scout. He went from scouting. Two instructor at the ING academy and tool quarterback coach Wright and if the bills are looking for a quarterback to be. It wouldn't be crazy. For them to take a two time Heisman finalist. Won almost winning college quarterbacks who then scouted and then taught and that was the quarterbacks coach like. Is not a lot. All of that is all that is nice and good right I don't think that's why you should think media as a leg up I think the reason he would have a leg up as his familiarity with Sean McDermott affect I. You know the way this works the coat coaches generally hire people that. They're comfortable with their familiar with and I tell people this all the time that. You know I understand that there are people out there a bigger resonates I get it and we can all basically say. You know they should go in this direction that direction. But the way the coaching fraternity works is it's extremely. Loyal type of business. And you have to bring in people with you that you trust that you know what they're about what their work ethic is it's or share a scene did you did you the don't think are going to be there'd at. Try to stab you in the back and take your job things like that that's why coaches we always hear the good Ole boy network. That's what coaches stick with people they know it's really no different than any other. Job or industry a lot of times. If you own a business or you become a manager whatever you're going to. Seek out people to work really your familiar with curried that at least you know what they're about so I think that's why. He also had Cam Newton whenever NFL MVP by the way under him two years ago as the quarterbacks coach I think you're that would be something of course though to mean. I would rather have an experienced guy I just don't know there's that's all dried up yet because when your first time head coach I've been telling you and Howard. You have to have experienced coordinators around a first time head coach there's so much that goes on in the. Months and weeks and days leading up to a game offseason everything that I think a first time head coach has too reliant people who've been there before. Data thrilled by fifty to join us so were rat Greg Olsen no longer a candidate. He goes to the quarterback coach job and LA so all right Ken Dorsey and it means that it really right now. For the actual OC job. I think that's what that is right now but. I think they have to be at least waiting honor somebody in the playoffs though. Q interview. I don't know that would be and could be out and how could it be bright able I don't know. I just this huge piece on Al repel this morning you can look at just in case he's the guy Jason lock on for Yahoo! at a guess we all know. Has been wrong a lot more than he's been right on the bills over the last few years time buddy Sola national reporter who gets plugged in on things. He said he's hearing out of hell I don't know maybe hearing that from us who knows because we've talked about it. But. Because of that I did go a long piece on him. Went back to 2009 when he is bills' offensive coordinator took a look at all that will see. Where that goes but I intend to believe that. There's got to be somebody within these four teams that they may be identifying for an interview if that person. Is out this week because I don't know you can wait maybe I guess you do get an hour another week after that beat that between now and suitable though. Well I. I gotta say sell I'm kind if you can listen this morning I'm kinda lost on this team right now. Doug Whaley three weeks ago said were close and the tone of an interview yesterday made it sound like they're starting a rebuilt. And there's two there's a lot of reasons action to be concerned with as one that their game plan changed in three weeks he said they wanted to find a coach that agreed with them. Basically coached and agreed that it's gonna take a long time. So now the bills are talking like it's going to take a long time here's some of what Whaley had to say about long term vision. And no short term fixes us on a place in the Silas is at the a lot of people had a chance to hear this interview so we'll play about two to three minutes of what Whaley had to say. And then will you and I'll talk about notice some phone calls as well here's the coach search. Main focus we want it. As a guy a coach. That had core values but also looked at a long term vision we're not looking to just make the playoffs we were looking for a coach that agreed with us that we wanna build it from the foundation up. A team that can consistently compete for championships. It starts with character do you cannot want it more than they want. And then it goes talent so those two go hand in hand I don't know I'd be one a and one B but you gotta have both of them. Character and talent now on the same level until the fans a say we recognize the seventeen years absolutely but were asking you to recognize we're trying to build something. For the long term sustainability. Of success. And I can't give your time frame as you won your two but I will say every game like coach says you'll see a competitive team out there. In position that won't be themselves and be in position to try to win. And then one more it's gonna start with. The core values instilling the core values and our players and in this building and starting from the inside and working out it's not going to be quick fix he knows that we know that and anything that's going to be sustainable for a long time it's hard to do so the work ethic. Not only from ownership down is going to be permeated through this building but it's also going to be permeated in that locker room. These guys got to know and they will know that there is a standard that we are setting and we have to try to strive to live up to that standard every single day you walk through that door. Night so that's a good selection of highlights from the Doug Whaley conversation with Chris Brown. Chris tweeted is it just Mears Whaley rebuilding the team to keep his job for a few more years. Well here's there's a few things about this I wanna make sure we put out their first of all it's itching to me this was put on the website yesterday it was discussed deal when this interview took place now. The day at a press conference. Really so then his tone was different from the press conference of the press conference correct our address our city interviews so he's he's no where close to okay. That's what it seems like at least right now that this interview I. I believe it if you look it I think this was done the day of the press conference even wearing the same suit by the way OK was at the press conference. And I think they just put it on the web site. You know a week later whatever he notes that to put in concert down there to shore but he without really thinking but that's what adjusting the media is. The told the press conference was we're close we're close mom I don't. I agree with you and Mike didn't Bulldog I thought they'd agree conversation about this yesterday that this sounds like he's preparing the fans title wade Darcy Rick you're dead. Without using the same type of Herbie right. Or Tim Murray or right Ted black Ted like used to coming here and say we don't wanna be eighth place we wanna win Stanley cups and I was on board with that I get that because. I do think and hockey you can get stuck into the purgatory where you never get truly great players but you need to pick up the top. In football I don't think it works that way I don't think that is mutually exclusive. Well why can't they continue to attempt to be good which I'm sure they'll say they're gonna try to do why does it go from. Were close were seven and nine but six our defense and our offense is good enough. To. In rebuild long term and we wanted to coach that agreed with us that this wasn't a quick fix. I know it look it here's the thing that I when I. Listen to this and all those soundbites. I'm not disagree all that it sounds like what we all dissent. What it recently talking about the quarterback what do recently talking about look we're gonna find the right guy. And it's gonna it's gonna take time here to do that we have to be patient about that at the same time what he's also trying to do I think I think. We try to do is kinda. Take a little pressure off first time head coach to say it two years ago Jeremy the message was more ready to win. We're hiring this coach now because we're ready to win now. And because of that two years later you fire trying to you don't take any steps maybe he's simply trying to take a little bit of pressure. All the head coach because here's the biggest thing for me what Doug we will. I don't know unless you have Terry but cooler in typical writing a blog you're safe at the end this year how do you really going to this year. With a rebuild mode I think I think his job as an ally this year. If he's gonna intentionally. Kind of strip it down so to speak got goes scorched earth everywhere to strip it down and rebuild. We know they're not gonna be any better than. How does he keep his job and if that's the case. Why is he gonna do it and less he's told specifically. Your safe no matter what. Just do what you have to do for the next three years which is possible I don't know that. A private hardly given the climate we're in a over the last several months regarding him in his job and what's gone down there in the front office. Well and that case me ask this then noted some phone calls because of people have been waiting patiently. Why. Idiot in that case the only explanation for not bringing back Tyrod Taylor is because she wanted to retire. Right. But why wouldn't you bring Tyrod back to give yourself the chance that you're you've identified he's not our long term answer we're gonna draft somebody we're looking for. Next year's draft or this year's draft or cartilage on someone's gonna grow into this role I don't think it's Jones I think it's this year or next year in the draft let's say it's next year in the draft that they like. Why in the world would just pick up Tyrod Taylor's option and try to get the playoffs you've identified that you need a better quarterback or someone more complete you're gonna go draft a guy anyway. Why did that who have to be pitted against one another I can keep Tyrod can and draft the guy. And the only reason night now I think the only reason and I'm gonna do this is to pick higher. Well I think the plot it would be the philosophy of he would count he would have the second highest number in the entire team next year. Behind martial artists and if he's not my long term solution but why am I eating up that much percentage in my cap when I can go out and find. Other players and I can have a rookie quarterback or second year guy and a rookie deal. Who can give media that the total cap flexibility any volley or towards I just. Abbott if I'm picking up Taylor I'm only really on the hook for two years and then there's an prop address is another opportunity to get out for. Larry it's to essentially watch it if they pick it up you're right he's it's essentially you're locked in for two years and that it becomes a lot easier to get out of it after. So year one becomes. Our right this this next year parents remic last we've identified we don't think he is. The answer at quarterback we're gonna we're gonna continue that search. And when they do great draft that guy. Whether it's this year or in two years. He beat sheet that this this new quarterback I just feel like. Taylor doesn't stop you from doing anything any never really did the only thing that stopped Q was. Would be acting like Taylor he's good enough. That's what stops you from finding someone better if you acknowledge it they did chiefs right now. The chiefs can draft a quarterback in the first gotten better to cut Alex Smith if they do it. They just say like in all water. Word do one what Green Bay did with with Brett Favre. Which is where a draft this kid because we think he's pretty good knee soccer player right away but he's he's gonna be here because he's our long term guy. I just don't understand why the bills treat that you like they're mutually exclusive. Well if you just talk quarterback here I think that a lot of these signs point to. To be wrong with Karr dale next year. And here's they've year old cardiologists don't expect this team to be any better than what they were this year I just don't what they may feel. Look I mean. Why should we be if we're only let's say we're we think. They've dealt with the roster they see wording eighteen if breaks go our way we can win nine if they don't organ with six or seven whatever word 818. Why should I pay sixteen million dollars record equity Nate what I can pay 400000. For a quarterback and it may. I mean I think that's part of the thinking. Not and I do get that you maybe you pick up a bridge guy maybe think nick pulls can come in and this'll be trying to you know I. I am I talking in circles because of trying to figure out what this. Our I think I'm saying I think you think hard Al Jones is their starter on opening day I don't know I think that right now what I think easily and it listening to him talk. Gets me more to that spot and I don't know I don't. A lot's gonna determine of course what happens by march 11 we will know by march 11 pretty much where their intentions are with not only just Tyrod of course we'll know that for sure. I think we'll know kinda even going forward. Whether they're thinking about Ito. Free agency or. Trap because that's going to be three days into the league year mean you'll already know what their had a target somewhere or hear things like that. I think right now assigned to me listening to don't really talk point two I think they mayoral cargo Jones accurate let's let's connect some dots here. Again a legal vacuum. What if people want to think about it it was it was not EJ Manuel was not his guide was buddy nix guy his staff was told find me the best quarterback in the draft that year. And they did it you could argue that actually did some backcourt drafting and then Doug and keep buddy nix that I'm drafting that guy in the first round. OK then they go out and they get. Kevin Cobb which I'm sure was just a bridge in I don't know what Doug really influence on the that we all know he was again the yearlong no matter what okay. Then when you think about it. The next two guys they bring in three guys really Kyle Orton. Not his guy right I would say I mean that's what to what Doug were want it to try and win football games to try and you get to the playoffs save his job whatever. Matt Cassel was clearly Greg Romans I know that for Surrey hand picked Matt Cassel to come here and Tyrod Taylor was Rex Ryan's guy. Who's the only guy in this whole thing is don't really got. Cardinal Jones. He's the only guy is going to put it it's clearly got Willie Scott. So if that's the case I think maybe he says I need to give this guy can't tell you the fourth rounder and I think he thought it would be preachers quarterback but maybe he says I want you. See what he can do given that particular contract and salary compared to what I would pay for Tyrod Taylor someone else. Give Brian in buffalo and before the break him more phone calls Brian good morning. Morning glad you're on your on the air. All right thank you think threatening. I want to comment on the rule book clearly situation I think that and it's especially when it. I don't watch buffalo that but he can't and eagle on the dart and obviously. I think fans have really let conception of what GM responsibility. The Gibbs spoke ability is the fine. Players that are apt to achieve. I really do that has coach is responsible for people kind of like fortifying their chemistry between players. You don't have that continuity. Albrecht trying to trick plays settled on these players coach. Players' coach. That same point time like a player's coach may not be the person that is going to scream make you a line of scrimmage it's discreetly practiced. I think the players equally respected and maybe not but it but it is much and you know argue that coach they'd be. That being at. You know the progression of this team is definite interest in college especially with character. I heard Hillary yet sure what they'll be athletic. I don't think he's that much of a strong leader as a cheap. I have really is that he can beat their summit on the publicity I swear like. You know you're commenting our defense what they could give proper. By not playing your cart. You know equivocal as to interpret constantly. Behavior like this in a couple of the war. So I hit eagle quarterback we choose to go with whether or develop because Tokyo forward critical Tyrod. I think it's the point that is to be made that you know that could be some type leadership and I think that leadership is like pilot apparently does not a fairly. Have the ability to command and tired. I think that he had to be able. That are speed and a wayward flight to pay let's put this all be gone. O'Brien be electric Maggette the brakes thanks a vocal I think and new coach and all the guys the yell at players are really gonna work for you I don't buy any of that stuff. Yelling at the players to get more out of me need Smart you need talent. The very yelled their defensive line in the defense the better yet defense supply needs a better scheme the defense of line needs better communication yeah I mean. You brought in this marine coach to yell at them this year. Now not nominate him you're selling it that this guy shortage of good football coach that trying any any any news could use caution that not giants the line during suitable I'm not sell short. If he's got good tactics good plans good schemes good players he'll be fine if he comes in and just yells. Great. Lots of guys do that bill Koehler did that for a long time right I I don't want and I don't want him to be. I'm looking for substance out of these coaching hires rather than a these phrases that the head coach and now the GM and all these people are talking about Doug will talk about core values that are going to be instill from the inside out and looking. For substance. And I just think a lot of that is. Is flock is we're gonna play hard and our fans are the best in in on the south the generally here with these tires. Well I think that there intentionally hiring coaches that experience for a reason obviously over time head coach and the best way to support him is to give. As much experience as possible effect every single higher they had so far giving guys who've been around the league firm. A long time and when it comes a Mike waffled for example he's a very well respected event of like which I think. People saw him in hard knocks I did and people know that what his personalities like that's why you get to he's giddy Alley -- take any. Any garbage but he's a good football coach I mean he's been around winning programs and Super Bowls and he has a good defensive line that he's worked with with the rams. You look at the and try to think who else they they brought it. Oh port CO tight ends coach he's coming from. An offensive coordinator position lat I know that the results were great with the rams. But that's an experienced guy anytime you can have a guy who was a coordinator head coach. As a position coach it just makes everything else work a little better because they understand the role so I think this is a clear. Intention here to try get all these experienced coaches that just about. Yelling at people or whatever I just think at that particular guy that's what we know about him because right watch our racks he that's what stood out about him. 8030550. Jeremy why some clutch on WGR.