Feb 24, 2017|
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It's Mike show name any word in less than a second I will tell you how many letters are in it but I cannot. I do not anything mechanically I don't even ought to put a team together for three year old spend a Bulldog. Whom he wants. Shame on. Shame on you. People we can't get fooled again on WG. Sport's great. With each passing day I miss him more. I had just arrived or are really are really mean back. Plays opus attribute sure. Leave it at that today WW word regarding. For the little things to. Anyway hey Ben Mike is off. Itself but shields sitting in today in. Kamal Monday he'll be around for some it anyway cells here mikes off on the bulldogs. And it's going on out there. 7172. Degrees on Friday in February. Pretty sweet. So I had a great idea today. To go hit golf balls at a driving range outdoors. I went to a local indoor outdoor golf ball hitting facility. Unfortunately the outdoor was not open yeah we're not ready to except now our customers so I still had to go indoors it's no great facility but I sort of indoors or disappointing but I wanted to do the outdoor thing and I feel like I was outdoors. Playing golf because that's like Qaeda would be doing yup I have this golf tournament every year I play in down in Florida and Maine I get mad. Because all my buddies or playing year round of practice and all I can do is go and hit balls indoors until the weather kind of breaks a little bit to get out I thought today was a date at least at the swing go and I didn't. But you rather be outside absolutely. The second is that any other day anyway but that of course what I did the right. This gig is a great gig there's no denying my right your week week you know. We got it we got a great not even goods that in pretty good and we got a great. Missing out on like your fear for petty old. On a day like this in February fully happy hour right but those are things we just never get to do it I think it's if you put good if you can find it in within yourself to appeal the slightest bit of sympathy for people who have maybe the easiest jobs ever. This just think about that but you're. Didn't get out early maybe it's seventy degrees it's Friday it's weary at your at it post it somewhere on a more hurdle in my. Have a couple. Yep jobless. Can't do it. Will be dark out in fifty atomic get out here. And our defense I think tomorrow goes like twenty degree drop right. About an hour span what are we had the afternoon free in the morning freedom those little rainy this morning whenever it's all good man it's nice a burba is enjoying the day we've got a jam packed showed today were wasting time talking about the weather. Excel is here is going to be here all afternoon into the evening we've got right right out of the gate at 330 francs or valley from. TS and dot CA is a longtime hockey ready there he should join us talk about the trade deadline Chris Baker sabres prospects dot com. Also on the deadline and the pipeline. And all that coming up at four. At by a 45 poverty Dave Buchanan from. Fast track on Sunday's NASCAR kicks off their season Sunday with the Daytona 500. Beautiful had a show on. To preview that on Sunday he will be armed with a loss to preview the race and then Paul Hamilton from Denver so. There's a lot of hockey in there some racing mixed in and I'm sure cell and I will find an opportunity. But maybe now and then later to talk about Tyrod Taylor and maybe chiefly what we learned anything from yesterday's conversation. With Ian Rapoport of the NFL network who we had on our show and he sort eat you know we talked about more in depth I guess. Some of the reporting he's been doing on the story and it'll sell I know you listen to and I honestly was was here for it. I can come away with that feeling like he's got it locked down you know they're keeping them at all though Mike Mike's assessment of it and it was pretty accurate. He's just sort of Reading the situation and surprising. What are they gonna do if they don't keep him Seoul court. They have to keep he's connecting dots gap with Rick Dennison right where it's what happened at the end of the year. That he is right and a couple things. And I pointed this out a couple times that. He said I agree with the end here that Tom. The relationship seems okay. In between the two sides considering what happened in week seventeen because I think at that point there was a lot of talk and speculation that. Okay we know Tyrod and that he basically has said this. Maybe there and now and beyond the point of no return anyway and he doesn't wanna be back because of the way they've handled this I don't think that's the case at all in fact the next day. Locker clean out day he kind of put that to that yup so so it seems like that's okay. Look he's rehabbing there yet Taylor wants to be in buffalo he wants the bills to pick up. This contract that's what he watts that's what deeper first. Just out of them. It's up to the bills. But he would rather have that happen. The other thing that I thought and and and now this could be. You know I don't think in rubble or just be spit balling about the restructuring of the contract but he clarified that. It in this way with a yesterday and I'd look this was maybe the most notable thing to take away from the conversation. Because it if he is being told by someone within the bills organization or even by Taylor's camp. But what the bills wanna do in the former restructuring is not necessarily caught the money that they are gonna pay Tyrod Taylor herb Pope put in his pocket. In March when they kick in an extension. But that they want a sort of push some of it down the road will orbit. Restructure it back loaded and leave themselves with a lower cap figure now. But. Ultimately what could end up being a panel beat down the road. And and that. I struggle with that Clinton but that was the thing to me that left me. At this everything lineup like first of all the cap hit right out of the box these first two years is not. It's not prohibitive to be fifteen point nine this year sixteen point seven next I don't think that's a big problem for your starting quarterback not at all. So if I wanna lower that one might which might trying to do in my trying to sign more guys because I think I'm ready to go win right away. But I guess OK maybe let me see that plan my cup. Were you going to sign on the cool you make you root for a bigger room she keeps department Gilmore. Are you make your rooms you can sign DeSean Jackson like what are you trying to do. But ultimately. I don't wanna be the situation where I'm stock if Taylor. Turns out to be one he's been so far I wanna move on and a couple years. I'm stuck and 1215 some some big dead money. For. Moving on from the guy with a book my favorite thing about the contract extension as it sits right now is that you've got the two years in the end. My understanding I think you've got you're looking at it right now the vote but the walk away price is not. That that people in July. It's less than four million per year basically after this year to walk away right. That's it I mean that's that's peanuts for one year like after the one year dead cat then you're done with it run that's less than four million essentially right I mean they need. Paid double triple that for Mario Williams were a year brush essentially. So if if if what the bills are trying to do is sort of turn this thing around and lower the fifteen. Cap figure fifteen million dollar cap figure to I don't know twelve and the doubt hock how much they want laureate. And there's going to be a price to be paid for that down the road if Taylor. Doesn't pan out a way I mean eventually like that catches up to you I think. So I'm a little worried about that could hurt frankly I don't know that the bills to be lineup like a team that should be thinking. We need to load up now and put off. This cap hit I'd rather just keep them on the contract and just live. Yeah I agree if you're gonna. It is a choice between keeping him at a lower number now more later. Or the number as is now the choice should be as is now right because you're gonna get in more trouble this is kind of how you got in the situation you're already in which is. Giving some guys some money down the road which now has to kick in and and now your strapped when you're actually trying to find replacement parts so you don't wanna do that. But let's look at it from his side. I was stunned as well listening to Ian say that because I'm thinking there's no way. His agent a decent curry is going to. Agreed to anything other than give me my thirty and a half million guaranteed I mean that's what it's got to be right if you offer him anything less. Overall than thirty half million these guaranteed to get. Even if the life of the contract is longer even at the incentives that up to more even if the salary in future years as more and it doesn't include my guarantees adding up to at least what I'm getting now and guarantees. I don't know any agent in their right mind would do anything well crippled but doesn't that. Lead you to this conclusion that it if they were to do that. That you'd be. Probably putting more in his pocket. Initially and then stretching that out over the lifetime of the deal which is where the back end of it kicks you in the face right so. Just. I don't want them to do that. I think I don't think that's a good plan I don't either so that's not your heroes tied to me longer than right right. Then the then the two years. At least this way even if and I said this is instead of a scenario like concede kinda playing out some ways. You can kick in the contract it is at the start for. I know that doesn't seem reasonable but what if you had. What are you what are you what they can't McCarty LB Jamal you're still paying the same amount of money for two quarterbacks whether it's got Ayers guy be starting nick doesn't matter. If that's the scenario yet it's not ideal. But at least that's the case but the problem is if you do this other thing which is push more money down the road. Well guess what are you not even night you're not just living with that for two years you're living with that for three or four years that's where because prohibitive. Yeah I I really era now and again and this is Ian Rapoport talking I am I am making. To some degree an assumption that. He's being told that this is what the bills and what to do that doesn't have to be the case and you could just be trying to figure out a way. But the bills can make this work. For them in a way that is more favorable in the short term. So as I'm sitting here saying I don't want that to be the plan by helping to make sense I don't know definitively that that is their plan. I'm all I'm saying is if it is voice stop the quick just talks to us just don't I don't think you're helping yourself. If you go that route I'd I don't wanna assure on the road with Tyrod Taylor frankly I don't wanna really proceed with Tyrod Taylor but I. Understand. If you don't have any other options. You know you and you might be able to cobbled together a good season with him as your quarterback. But I don't wanna pay the more down the road for that purpose. I did enjoy Ian overall. You know I thought that he was he's he's got to listen to he he's thoughtful and you know when he comes from position he's accurate tally something doesn't know he even says that. We asked him one question about how good he can be so I don't know I haven't seen enough of him now to make that projection but. How about the answer I think this is super interstate. When you guys asked him about the market for him. He said yeah he's he's gonna get paid ease him there are teams that are going to pay him I've and I thought that it. As well me too I've always thought that I mean I don't know it but I I would I would think. That we're. The state of quarterbacking in the league that that would happen on all of us. Unless and then this is can be free far fetched but I did have this thought. It maybe. Would all these quarterbacks that are on the market. This year the quarterback carousel at espn.com. And teams that need them but is it possible. That. Teams learned a lesson from what Houston did with us why the last year and are pumping the brakes on. Overpaying. Average to below average quarterbacks just because. I need one he's available. I think you know I I could do worse so I guess I'll just give this guy fifteen million dollars beat maybe watching him get benched in Houston. Is gonna cause teams this year sort of sit back and but the markets settle little bit but the problem with that is somebody's always gonna jump to jump on it right right some resorted. Well as one guy I would really like that I would be Derek Taylor fallen but. To drop back guy I Needham and what can take to get it done and in that case that player and his agent kind of hold hammer that negotiation and. The team but by applicable overpaid given his age. And body of work so far. And now he's not Tom Brady of course but he's he's won games in this league he's performed well he's been a pro bowls given his age his body work so far. Pulled out it is extremely. Rare. In this league. To have guys like that even become a billable. That's what's interesting because he's not great we know that we know these there's a debate on how good he can be or whatever maybe he's not a franchise quarterback. Teams would even maybe say that but even a guy and his status and his level. They just don't become available that's why the market all the sudden. You gotta get up. Because what are you gonna what are you going to have an opportunity again to get a guy like that they almost never happen and I'm not telling you get a Natalia. He's even an edit an awful rivers are or Eli Manning nothing like that from. But even at his level what he's done in this league the body of work he's put in. You don't get a chance. To just go and sign guys like that in this league anymore you have to basically roll the dice and take a chance on rookies in the draft to hope they can even get to that level much less beyond bit. A guy you are older now more right walk up or give up major assets right. If they even have an inkling of becoming available this wouldn't even be giving up sets it would simply be come time when us. So for that reason I've thought all along and I would I would suspect that Taylor's representation and Taylor himself know that. Which leads you back to the whole idea of restructuring your redoing the deal like why. Why would they do that unless like we're saying here the incentive is there there are actually gonna give him more money up front than they already persuaded to. In which case I think that's. Order that's correct if so I agree. You know what will. See what ends up happening I think it's it's really interesting you alluded to this yesterday's sell Lou the carbide is coming up and Sean McDermott is gonna speak Wednesday in the morning that's on the schedule. And that's gonna happen dog Whaley is not scheduled to talk right and you know the chances of them having this Taylor thing ironed out before McDermott talks I think are probably pretty slim I mean I guess it could happen. But to be interestingly he's the he's gonna be the voice of the organization. Very different personality. Then the previous head coach of course. But I'm gonna be curious to see how he handles whatever questions come up about Tyrod Taylor because he'll be speaking publicly for the first time. As the bills head coach since the news conference. And also for the first time on behalf of the organization no one else has been asked about Tyrod Taylor publicly since. Well since the higher if I. And you the hypothetical let's say Sean McDermott. Gets up there Wednesday morning on March 1 ten days before the deadline. And he's asked initially ran out of he's going to be asked have you made a decision on Tyrod Taylor if he says we're still going through that process. Eight and you actually believe that. Orton. It would make me think that they're not gonna keep them. Me bought I don't know what that would be right necessarily. It might just mean they wanna take all the time they have a lot it. I think they would have made a decision. So he says it think it's because he just has won announce anything right. By the way that's all I mean like I wouldn't blame him I would not blame in the be bright even if they made a decision I would not blame the bills or shop McDermott didn't tell us that right I'm on that particular okay. I would not believe for a second that they haven't already decided while keeping an. What that means. To the decision like which decision they breached. I don't I guess Agassi put point you know because if you don't wanna announces. You don't positively or negatively keeping them or letting him go. Whichever you think that would end up being explicit depends on your point of view went to Baylor but. If you don't want announces that it doesn't necessarily mean your point in one direction of the dollar. But I I would. I would be stunned if they haven't already. Figured out what to do with tyrant. Have to know. At least pretty darn close to being locked into Putin's position here I. Maybe maybe there's still little hedging maybe there's still little bit of what do we can get this guy or me there's a little bit of haven't we really do that we wanna do this I mean I also think we can we were street don't if they want to restructure right they might be still try to work their way through. And that could be if he said we wrote that process that could be yet we're still going through that process maybe that's what next week is about his agent will be around I'm sure they can do that but. If he says that. Then I almost have to think like and it if your if your ten days away from a deadline. Yeah publicly backing him and saying we're keeping on. The wire to keep an. I mean what why are we to the point where you might not keep on if you don't feel good enough about it right at this point if you honestly still going through the process. The most tells me that you're looking for a reason to keep them you can't find one yet right. Or looking for an alternative rights and wanna use every moment to find an alternative and if all else fails well okay well I guess we'll keep this right. Which you know was just not. You know what's not. It doesn't inspire a ton of confidence in the decisions I guess you know either way. You know it does it it is beg the question all along if they believe in him they probably should get out in front of it then just say right we believe in him. But. It hasn't looked that way going back to the ended December January. And I think it's still continues to to look like well. This is the best we can do and I don't think that's a good look. I agree. And I still think this thing is going to be kind head. Dragged out publicly at least. It's a raid around what free agency begins whether that's the seventh the ninth someone there now we might get a leak here early there for somebody national local whatever. You know I'll obviously try to get as much information as I can. But I have a feeling we're gonna go through next week and not really know yet where they are with this thing. Would you anticipate. At all. This having any impact at all on the team. On how they view the organization the players I mean. You the organization for how this has been handled or they just strictly in all the businesses the business and we are quarterback back or what I ever but. But if he comes back after the way this has gone for a few months. You think there's any damage at all. No I think I've been around players enough. That they will pretty much tell you that's the business and we know how it works and anybody can lose your job and any time and head coach get fired. You know here here during the season. You know they out they've all they've all in some way shape or form gone through a contract negotiations they understand it's a business I do think it impacts. The personal. Part of it with some players depending what they might wanna do specifically wide receivers like Robert Woods who yesterday. On the job Murphy show here and a VG AR said. Yeah I wanna go to a place when it quarterback situation is important mean. In her followed up with what what about here with Tyrod in. Robert said matter of factly why don't the team has a decision to make but I have a relationship with them and guys I would like to be back with him. Essentially what he said but he gave them compliments. But he basically kind of said I don't know the quarterback is Timmy top of meat. Wanna be either but I wanna go to the situation with a good quarterback and then followed up with Tyrod Taylor is someone I've developed relationship with an ideal comparable. Just saw unclear now what is the timing. Does free agency opened at the same time this decision on Taylor is do or is it now on a before so they have the legal tampering went over two days. March 7 you can begin a lot of agents aren't. He can't sign anybody but just like a hockey get that. 48 hour window I think Iraqis seem 48 right up but you can talk to agents starting march 7 with the other team you can't bring in players are visits. Nothing like that as far as I know they might change that over the years site to check on that. But they cannot be but they can talk. March 9 begins the new league year as of I think four Pia. But you can sign free agent starting march night. They at that time can exercise whatever they want on the contract caught him or extend him. They have until March 11 to do that. They have until the third day the lead here which by the way is to the bills advantage because that's a lot. They have. Three days. To essentially see. What the free agent market is starting to do and a read the other situations around the league and maybe make a call before they have to and let that play out or they also have three days. To essentially make a trade with his contract still as is. And at. And and not have to pay that they can just trade his contract they don't have to. Kicking in or kind of rainy like that I can say oh Cleveland you can get the quarterback you want to march 9 here we are march 10 that you wanna trade form your ego. And they have an old financial obligation to that extension so they should not because they're just trading a contract that they have not yet. Kicked in their own portion of it. Right so it would just go to Cleveland as it is than they would have one day during a match to an act on the out of contract and so it took so it in a lot of ways that's interest three day window does benefit the bills here TR and figure out what to do that's why they may wait build a they may wait it out until March 11 simply. To see what happens on the ninth in the tech trick. There is though like what you said about Robert Woods or if they were gonna go to guy was Shawn Jackson right Weber but if you're a new moon were high and receiver. To play here you're gonna have to have quarterback being earned. The white person I think he's cassation court and I guys aside let's try it is no way that's gonna happen aren't we we should have some time to revisit this and talk more about it. Is in waiter portions of the Schobel we got a lot of hockey coming up here in the next little while we've got dumped coming up after the break ranks are valley from TS NP three dot CA. And then at 4 o'clock. Chris Baker buddy from sabres prospect dot com the NHL trade deadline. It's coming back his deadline for the bills and Tyrod Taylor. On the eleventh of march we got the NHL trading deadline coming up on March 1 this coming Wednesday so we'll talk about that from a national perspective. With brakes are valid from TS and and then more local. With Chris Baker at 4 o'clock sales in from like on the bulldogs WG. Pat Rowland on a Friday. Thanks for being with us out of popular isn't for Mike I'm the Bulldog mrs. WGR. Don't adjust your sets it's above seventy decrease in sunny moment. 24 of February. NHL trade deadline is coming up on Wednesday we are going to be all over as always and with that in mind we welcome in now. On the AT&T hotline frank Sarah valley twenty S and frank. It's christened sale here how are you today. Much is it. Gonna be a let down this year does it feel at all TU like this trade deadline which so many teams still. On the fringes the sabres are examples such a team. That their might not be enough sellers to meet. Buyers' demands. I don't know it's so hard. To peg. Yet to get that question because even in the last me courts aren't you more teams. Sort of declare themselves as sellers like going into. This week it was. You're looking at Arizona Colorado and that's it and then you kind of take a look at these and you're thinking OK pretty good long shot right now property curry. Security Carolina. And then you look at the western. If you're thinking okay Dallas probably out of it you have to think Vancouver's spewing this team being after they've actually been expecting her here. I think we're partners a couple more keen to create products seller here which. Could make things really interesting having the rental market is really what's gonna heat up because. You're finding it for more Guillen and I'm talking finding. Teams that are hesitant to take on very many players that term is because. They come by and large cap their expansion draft list. Kind of step already in data plate the term that means one more player that you have to protect so you really wanna risk trading assets to acquire players that. You might end up losing in the expansion draft to you in anyway. Right that is a complicating factor that's seven teams as you listed that of teams that might be. Squarely sitting in it is seller mode and we do still have some games the only guy I'm sitting here in buffalo Franken. Kind of the mind. The sabres all year have been through just a little bit of a tease me you know you win a couple and they go they win another quarter to that is gonna get really interesting but then they don't. And like that is repeated itself may be a half a dozen different times over the season. And here we are again they've got three games two of them are out west but against two of the worst teams in the league. And then a home game against Nashville amend the deadline and I kind of have the approach to content Murray I think I need to win all three of these games I had to keep me from selling off. Whatever parts I wanna sell off. Or yeah I agree I think you know getting something rather than nothing for a couple of these guys might lose. There are some complicating factors though like what you do with a guy like you each coal columns. Honor yes and treat me let you hurt her child of the year. You know I think certainly better than what he's shown in buffalo he had been the theme. And that pretty. We know what do you do with the guy can use it is there any chance here resigning him it shall I at a match in net wanna keep them by. It your heart determined that he does your longer term plan given what. You feel like you might they have been for sure move him to another team at the data mining and get something back in return. I think they're kind of in the same position. It like you had it really gets caught looking at even their lap and game six or they're kind of right there. But not really when you look at their minus 41 goal differential and the other team that they have to. You know climb over yet and I am looking at a team like Florida who today is on the outside looking him. I think they have a pretty good bet to get in I think maybe Florida and boxes the only two real realistic chances. In the east. Do you feel like you're on par with CNET can Merriam probably seeing now. I've might be considering looking at some other moves to. Trying to strip inner read backers this roster at all. A guy like Brian Gionta frank. He is maybe the part of typical type of player team might bring Al Gore to that they believe a shot of the Stanley Cup to bring in that locker room. What kind of teams would he fit in though what Tenet teams out there would be looking for maybe that veteran experience because they think they're close. Well I think a lot of teams that are certainly looking for right wingers well look at. The production actually opted at this year twenty points. Tony seven point excuse me and sixty game. Still playing just about seventeen minutes and I were you even at the age of 38. You know there's quite a few teams the Edmonton Oilers for center team that what might be looking for some rental help on the right side I think. There's a lot of different teams that could add a Winger Scott Clark answers yam. Abdel talent and he was saying that he'd also like distress in one of the wing that he had in a deposition but. If you look at ya situation pretty good soldier there and upload a lot and that he's outwardly. Saying that you want to stay and be part of this means for the future and sort of speak to the finish line and what are the started there and and really what he slobs. He can you go light at the end of the tunnel but. It here. If you're came married he parred your future and I can't answer that but. I'd imagine her diet it'll be 39 at some point that he's an even though you're relatively productive. Depending on what you that the court return he probably wouldn't be part of the KeyCorp Mikey moving forward. Right I think that's a really touching one you know you've got your place in the standings to considered error if you're you know trying to stay in it you've got the guy who's the captain. And he said he doesn't want a goal. I mean just what you know what do you what do you do street Huck Huck you handle that. And you know complicating it I think somewhat for us your global break is is where the organization has been really through G on this ten year. You know Tim Murray might be more reluctant to just roll bodies overboard. If these four points out. Given the fact that they have had such a tough go of it and to give up now even though there odds aren't great at all even good of making it. Just might send armed you know the wrong message to the locker room as well as the fan base. All of us. That's what makes it's a typical because there's people involved right there's people personality and badly then. Everything else and I think with a guy like Chianti your problem with looking at it saying. What are we really getting in return years did you swear to squeeze. If we're getting out or their fifth round pick. And it's not his desire to go somewhere I think about point project hang onto humans eat it and today. We'll take our chances and not get a fourth circuit around picked it to keep everything status quo here. I'm cool look off back to him. He is an interesting piece in this because as an unrestricted free agent NN his age but that is the kind of guy you might if you you know you've got. Defense problems you might look at as a guy that could be a piece for you moving forward I mean. There's a guy that is dead in the prime of his career and frankly if he were hitting the open market. After a normal season might be expecting a pretty big payday but it's been just a wilderness your for him with the injury in the pre season game. I don't know all that he's ever been healthy. And with that in mind like. You you wonder if he's even worth. Trying to retain on a short term deal to kind of get a duel over here to kind of reestablish his market value or is that a guy that even with this bad year. Still hits free agency July 1 gets a five year deal somewhere. I don't know that he's getting a five year deal somewhere but then again Patrick Bergmann got one today. I know it forward an entirely different scenario Lou it that he got five years. Nineteen point five million dollars for a guy that three years older than corn cob I would think. The tough part about moving cool cop right now that deadline is that he and value is so well especially compared. To what you paid for him right to get him it makes it really hit a call to kind of actress. Cut bait and move on when you know that there's more there are seen more there. Mean one goal and one assist in 34 game is just rude all I know that he's a better offensive player and shown. He neared thirty points. Earlier career at Florida consistently about green point 620 point either that he had. That picture seven years ago about you have to ask yourself is you can he get back to that level or is he injury that he had. Mean are they gonna continue to be nagging or any one time thing or. It just made sense to move on if we get something now. Brakes are relic from TS that is on the AT&T hotline with us up a popular one for Mike I and the bull like this is WGR one other potential rental. But worth talking about on the Saber rosters is Cody Franzen. And you know is it is it wrong to look at the deal yesterday that Pittsburgh made with Carolina for Hanes he and think that the the asking price of a second round pick has been established in does Franzen but. Comic does he get that same sort of return thing. You would think so I meaning you're playing more minutes tonight you are out when he Q almost 23 minutes but you're also. Order and pure rental. He and he would definitely more responsible dissent in his own end and he brought something on the penalty kill I think he was. B twelve player in the NHL rank in terms of shots allowed her eight minutes on the on the PK. And the parents TK had struggled recently I think it it there. Certainly Jim Rutherford knew him well and able back up against the wall we're paying that price can. Considering that only modern outlook and the injury just shall had a concussion. And Trevor Daley has underwent surgery on V. So I'm not sure that plan in ways you don't necessarily. Apple Apple's he wore the second round pick I think that. Certainly something you should reporting the one thing when you're looking at this year's bet. You you could make the argument that second and third round pick have more value. And they awarded a normal year guest speaker. Where he can't go out. They need it. Sizing up this draft class that player that you get with the number twenty. Is virtually the same player you can get at pick number fifty or sixty at him kind of spread out there. Thank you so getting a second round pick. Really would be a boon for a guy like Brandon and I can see how. When you look at the deal that just happened for Michael Stone earlier this meat going America article calvary he got hurt and a conditional bit. A stop it he reached times. I think you'd probably be looking at something more along the lines of that brand new could be jumping and then you're lucky give your power. Break the number one that most polarizing player here Mo flow right now. As far as trade discussions is concern amongst the fan base is Evander Kane he is having an outstanding year at least still leads the NHL right now and not even strength goals. But we know we also had some issues off the ice. And the sabres paid a pretty good price to bring him in here he's also going to be UF may not after this year. But after next year so lots of things going on here what are you hearing around the league a or maybe even from the sabres themselves about what's gonna happen with a Evander Kane as we approach Wednesday. I'm hearing that Larry stone has not been ringing off the hook her and McCain. That somewhat surprising in the sense that I know we come with a lot of baggage and sort of into that. And a lot of that speed are you should stay all it has been. You know doing. He hadn't been able to help themselves whether they're not social media or at bars or wherever he's been. He always sort of been in the spotlight for the raw read it. And I think that what's. You know calling it yet on this and in terms or team being interested and. Grabbing garlic Evander Kane needed an incredibly streaky scorer and he banquet. Iran that he's been on I haven't checked the baton few days but he was leading to eat in gold in the month of February with seven. He's been ridiculously productive the last month or so. For the Buffalo Sabres and you would think that that would increase the value but given all the other things that go along with it plus the need that you're going to treat for him. They eat meat to protect him as I mentioned earlier a lot of the teams are quite that. How much sense does it make it how much you're really giving up and from the sabres perspective that you set big party. He'd hit a heavy price to bring him in. Eric and trading and quite frankly would create a pretty large hole with a scheme to try and kill those goals and those points. Given where he's been spotted in so I'm not sure that there that hit there he remains a dark yet and trade be bored because I think. That at the end of the date and marry would be open to making a move. The right one came across his desk for Evander Kane but I don't think you foundering off the hook in I'd imagine that come march 2 I'll still be with the Buffalo Sabres. It would happen that it would have to make sense Frankfurt that that Wright return to include. I mean I guess preferably you'd shoot high for a top pair defenseman maybe top three or four defenseman. Given the sabres depth that this is a little bit like cooled off but not not. Not exactly is where does he fit long range later sale mentioned canes have dredges up after next year you'd think after. He's always been playing this year if you were to talk extension with him you'd be talking about even more money. And how many more guys were the sabres already paying O Reilly O post so Bristol line in. Corrosion Molson is on the books for two more years after this one for five million bucks at and then you've got to pay Michael Reinhart coming up. And potentially another top deem and the comedy whales can you have on one roster you know. I think that scared how many. You know abbey life raft and you can you throw that guy off the I mean yeah. The one thing I always like to say you can't fix stupid and I'm not not calling you and McCain stupid but. He hasn't been able to help themselves in any which way he beat all these promises when he came the ball well. That you would be a factor wouldn't be in the papers certainly in the gossip column any good there. I think that's gotten an immune bit of hot water with its neighbors and I think rightfully so so. You're aware that trust factor you're going to be giving this guy how long term deal on the page is that. No way he'll be able to keep himself out of trouble I don't know that he displayed that ability quite yet and I wonder how. Quickly that act wears thin on it he made given that. It's also been a major issue in Winnipeg query came from. Brakes are relic from TSA and just a couple of more minutes here with current exhausted I think the sabres. End of this thing how about believed to have been shot and Kirk sits atop the TSA and trade bait tracker here. Followed by met you shame Patrick Eaves. But what dumb about what about checker there's been a lot said maybe the last few a few days about. Him not being open to signing an extension it's been reported. By Bob McKenzie heavy with Bob anyway. That that was some that that was Tampa. What what do you think the future holds here for shed Kirk. I think he's going to be moved between now and Wednesday. But Bob report I think it. It's going to be yet a rental if he does go I can't imagine that. Toward our where they let the guys walk on July 1 for now. They need to get out that in return. They have a player that's highly valued in terms it is offensive production sharing guaranteed 45 this. He points or almost every. And right shot the right age at 27. Eat the crime sort of rental candidate the only issue here that the boot had been looking for more than a rental return. Which complicates things and they've obviously wanted to maximize their return in any trees per chat Kurt and tried to get into. You know Hewitt so called signing. And intrigue where he negotiate the extension with his new team. They've agreed in principle at three different deals starting between last summer with the Edmonton Oilers another. Team in November reported to be the Arizona parity in another team approximately five to six weeks ago reported V. The Tampa Bay Lightning and none of those teams have been able to bail out an extension which is where there's he'll have fizzled. And about again just point it toward the rental option but the key between now and then for the blue it is they're going to have. Is that despite a little bit lower if there realistically injuries did. In moving checker between now met. That is a tough situation I mean a player holds obviously. The control he he's about to be US base or you can certainly understand him not wanting. To just have his ultimate destination negotiated. In the form of this trade and agreeing to go to Tampa without really knowing the Tampa organization. An and be able to go through the courting process and have all these teams take their best runs at him but. Boyd's he's put his organization and how the spot you know to say it if they could get a trade with Tampa but at Ball State Tyler Johnson. If if chat group agrees to an extension there instead they have to just trade him for X. And that's off. Yeah I don't think you ever Johnston. I don't know what the exact parameters where but I don't think it was that high. It's hard day because you know what I look at this from the players perspective Q had you shoulder Alter. Eight personal insurance on the contract. And he played well despite the circuit that's been around in the blues. Obviously having given him the option to negotiate last summer heat have shorter this for a long time. And basically know that he's not going to be returning Louis and they don't want him. We're trying to get rid of him and they can't get you need to go out and still maintain. The same production. That he's ready been accustomed to throughout his career you look at this situation I think. Some can be positioning met Kevin checkered greedy or reportedly turning down. You know seven years six million bucks for forty million dollars and yet. Haven't seen that when he heard John Q public but what you have seen that could potentially. Throwing 4950. Million dollars that you're would you be siding if you voluntarily to walk away from that generator and the box if that. But ultimately came Q that the risk for everyone and and the player has shouldered it pick up to the team here to reexamine their expectations. And exactly the situation that there end. Given that this this is what present itself. I would not just the answer your question I would not pass away from that money just an easier question that at that they're a frank from the houses a lot of guys we talk about but we're gonna have the you know move move this along but one last I wanna ask you about. Because it's very interest in me Ben Bishop. What do you think Tampa is ultimately gonna do there and would they feel secure moving forward vessel if you had kind of a weird year. I think it would be sure that the last few moving forward be OK with that I think they're ready to quit. Certainly would be spent trapped in the consideration that you have to make. In a lot of ways it's seen it happen well bishop has played. He's been injured at the wrong time look at the playoffs the last year on ballot injury. That's been tough to swallow it at bay lightning who act. Gotten there got that part and and needed and that is bad luck enabled provided. I think that he's the most likely goal among the upper Echelon goalie could be moved I would say that. He would come to war be moved the war Marc-Andre Larry you've been the other salary cap. Contract terms that but Larry in the past you for the next few years. Think bishop is much easier to go the only question is there's so many goalies available on the market it's point. The expansion or performance or contract or otherwise. That the market is so very small you're looking at only if you team Beckett potentially new goalie. You thinking Lewis is one but Jake Allen has really rebounded and still only 26 years old and much better under Mike you know. Calgary's only out goalie and after that that's hit so it's really a buyer's market and I think. Much in the same way Pittsburgh it content keeping Larry war another Stanley Cup run. Depending on where the lightning. You know they are we now on Wednesday. I don't think he'd be the worst thing ever they were keeping bishop just in case earned her purpose this and then figuring it out. On the flip side what you expected. Franks thank you so much for all this Franken and you know firm. For for your colleagues there that the trade bait tracker the trade record solve all the coverage on TV but but especially sit in here on the web. ATS and dot CA is a tremendous resource. For us trying to keep tabs on everything so wamp you know great work. Area that is frank the Sarah valley of TS and dot CA is a senior hockey writer there and some bit of oil a look around believe. The whole idea with the landscape is going to be looking like moving into. Moving into Wednesday and the trade deadline sell you asked him about Cain. And he echoed what I heard there Andre your city to the guys this morning audience to gators. Air and that's funny I did the same thought when it right when I heard or saw those comments from trigger. Jeremy White created after that like who do you think his talent rigor that the phones are ringing. Mike Jones yeah into its primary Tim Murray like. Call me I kind of a crowd here I'd like you've entered into a twelve holes and nobody's really calling sit might get on and we know. Don't don't let so one time only. I don't know he is I had no you know you've talked about him. I have bomb we talked about it some in here and I get the same thing every time we bring it up on Twitter were people I think. I think it is shortsighted fashion just can't. Can't get their hands around what the long term build the team is going to look like. They they have a lot of guys that are gonna have to get paid and the cat is not expected to go up at least this year and who knows what it will go up again. It's worth far more far cry from a mile two years ago at this time their projection of the cap would give public ninety million so. And it's just not happening the Canadian dollar took a beating and you we are. So. The plot got all these guys to pay. In the U look at. Go to spot track. Fans there and look at teams and look at the seller strangers. Go to the Chicago Blackhawks which is a team that people often I think throw at UN myself. As you know example they keep all their guys from the really what they do is they keep they keep these guys Toews. Cain. Host so Seabrook Keith the goal. And by the way that spread out over different positions right the sabres have a problem because all the forwards are being paid enough you're talking about clean as well right. Mixed in with the right the Fords are being paid yet right our knowledge is leading me tonight all right our 3COM Michael and Ryan are gonna have to get paid. You know not the same contracts but still there gonna get gonna get money especially Michael. Is going to be the highest paid player on the team I think when he gets his next contract so Eagles up on top of even O'Reilly and you've got no post so. You eventually get to Bristol wine and but that's the only you've got to go June but. That's not helping me that's a hindrance he's not a core guy that I feel good about moving forward with but yet the salaries there. Just hero money. For fans to not want a trader in McCain I totally understand that I think that's reasonable and I get it. But to not understand the logic behind why the sabres might actually need to do it or even want to do it. I think that's just surface level thinking you know in not understanding the implications of why. He could have no off place issues at all. And you would still may be need to make the move with the timing of his contract coming up in what else I've got to do with my team I think I'd I'd still be having the same conversation boy it's tough I'd hate to have to part with the implied what do why do here you know. We'll talk more about the sabres and a ball they send their prospects. And you know who's gonna get paid when. And who's ready to fill in holes with Chris Baker from sabres prospects dot com he joins us after the break. Cell is in for Mike I am humbled log in this is WG.