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He broke his leg less than a minute in 10698 cavs also lost to the heat. Irate when dolls course 24 sub par shooting night again for the splash Brothers and Golden State. As the warriors go on to beat the hawks won nineteen to 111 I'm Jeremy White AVG our Sports Radio 550 for breaking sports news text the word sports a 55550. Any discussion today by one group about three points or sixty minute win to sort of undo this logjam and when I think of artificial parity in the NHL standings they talked about it although Lou Amarillo throwback so let's go back to two points for wins and no loser point and good luck I don't negates a lot cheaper points. That's your Le runs from TS cents slash ESPN although he has written columns in recent months. Pulling for the 321 points system Lou Amarillo from the Toronto Maple Leafs did say yesterday he doesn't want three Q1 he'd prefer to go back to the old points system got to make a change to get to lose your point. Go back to two points for a win and if you're tied at the end of regulation that fit everybody gets a point both teams get a point and the game is over after sixty minutes. Howard share in my day there wasn't as much entertainment and we were fine with a the city so I wasn't I don't mind if they ever called acrobat X and a big fan of a tide but it wasn't. Felt there were some interest in walk away the same way some nights you walk away. Thinking oh my god we were just out played badly I got a point thank goodness and other nights you'd be thinking well that sucks we were the better team when we got a point they got a point and that would rather that the game goalless. If they went back to that. I'm OK without I'll just learn to live with the game ending in a tie and yeah your day that's just the way it's going to be knew we would get out of the building's owner if that's but as you said you know what. I don't think anybody minds over time it really gets it's been good for hockey those are the exciting moments in the game. The shootout but I think most people are are tired of but over time actually has been. A lot of fun in the shootout was a bone thrown the fans after the lockout this'll be exciting and it was. And now we've seen ten years or shoot outs and it's lost all of its you know. Right as a lost most of its appeal could you do this if you just if you wanna avoid three point being given out for one game. He goes to overtime teams play five minutes that side you revert to the old tiger or abuse the waste it used up one point if you went overtime. Nice to be given up three points that's right to an. I was thinking if you still tied to avoid the shoot out it's one and one but you'd still evolution point to a team that lost and if you but this is the thing if you eliminate the loser point. And you have a war wanna get on your points from losing guess what happens if you have overtime. Nobody knows anything that could you don't everybody sits still and nobody tries. Because no one wants to lose that point I'm not gonna take a rush down one way and have a come back the other way they get two points I get zero because. We played a little bit loose in overtime it'll be elect the sabres earlier in the season and overtime when they are afraid to take shots right you need that. Finger quotes lose a point. You need that it protects the game a little bit right it and its coaches actually would try to brutal I escort over to lose your point is the answer to coaches in chemical can stand Viles for this if there were no lose a point you're buckled down in overtime play for a tying it out down whereas there right now they know -- got a point got a point one out of oil for the extra point and benefit if fight. I give up. By miss the net and it's an odd man rush the other way we get scored on I still get a point so that's the important thing is like every time you hear somebody for the mayor some griping about the lose a point I just end up feeling like their complaint is lodged in the wrong place. You know I get it you don't wanna give away points for losing but you don't you boy points for a tie. As soon as you take that away man. We would ruin overtime we would ruin it and if you had no overtime if it's 11. Late in the third it's the same kind of scenario clamp down Alex Lloyd Wright I can't lose you might as well leave with the fourteen minutes left in the third because these teams are not gonna try to win right unless. Someone if you're in her lap race you have to add the extra point really does matter but again I think you'll have teams are clamping down to act which lose this point which is kind of what you have now. You have it where the and we had some graphs over this we've tweeted out a couple months ago. That if you have a hockey game that is 11 in the sacking 11 in the third with every minute that goes by in the third period of a tie game. A goal being scored gets less and less likely. And that's because teams want that regulation point they already play to the sixty minute mark. Because if five nut let's say I'm coaching Tampa your coaching buffalo there's ten minutes left in the game and tea what. Mobile all the dogs off until regulation and tweets get appointed and then it will resume our battle angle for the bonus point Lou that's the reason Unita three point win. Because as soon as you when I decide to do that right that's still okay. But the other team in our division watches and says. That they're getting screwed because both teams are getting a point right but if and if you have the 321 point system a coach in the division want to watch that game and look at you and I say. You guys just both decided that you didn't want three men that too was good enough all know yeah and that's how should be if you are going to play for overtime after going to go to overtime. You no longer have the ability to win the full three lake it's just. And we've discussed in this in an album dissected millions of times but it's more than just the standings in theory. In practice the game will improve because of it. Let me get you calls eagle 30550. Steve in Holland you're on WG arbor right ahead. Are these people read their report if I ever get tired and you get no points that. Wait and edit all Iberia. And yet they are up. One or if we're right alt but it don't. You know hit it dead at the all get out that. But the you've just that your teams play sixty minutes and nobody got anything out of it and the fans paid. To see the game and they walk away and nobody gets a point. Topic so. Play at all lack park that the unit that well. So it's to a whole answer no point the Steve let me give this some of this move if you are. If if it's there's there's one minute left in the game the sabres are in this scenario the sabres are playing in Winnipeg. And they are down a goal. How hard would they try. To try and tie the game and still get zero. Oh. All what you said it was I document end of regulation game over and there's no points. I'll OK you still have overtime. And then to me still no lose your point. There's no there isn't what's the advantage of that. What the but it had a grip and edit out pretty quick exit. I don't I'll write any more. Couldn't you just played essays in sixty minutes and go for the win in August and I'm isn't normal isn't the scenario you're laying out also going to happen and a 321 point system. I. It's not rewarding losers you're still in the recognizing at our opponent your punishing losers lose the if you lose a game you get zero if you lose in overtime or shootout you get one. In winners get three or two. So it's 11 let's say the sabres in Tampa are 11 in the third and they're both trying to move up to catch third place Boston and get a playoff spot. I go forward in the third I'm getting three points instead of one or two points of the goals beyond regulation. Here. George zero her apparent I would be I'd be worried about the teams this kind of play that they've been waiting to get over time that I Gulfport go for the win. I don't I don't even at that early. Role in the arts that point. Yeah is now it is now it is now it's doing your scenario to you roll the dice the difference is instead getting out one point you're giving out zero. Well nobody. Like sixty minutes ago about former corporate audit side. You want but when it. The U misty you just said there still would be overtime. So why am I playing hard for sixty if I'm going to go to overtime and then let it all hang out. It'll go and you'd think they're gonna post sixty minute and a match right. That it censored and they don't Apatow. They are I mean they already try to win in sixty every team tries to win sixty it's that I'm sorry. Side in the third. Except when it's ties lied in the third right right. Just coming at them so good about it actually. Search and there are not a reds. Point. A. OK you're cut. Steve you're on our side yeah you're just. I mean different Matt is different methods but the same it's different athletes and it really I mean I'm sorry I think a terrible idea is having people walk out of a game where no points were awarded to either team. It to me that sounds like a terrible idea. Or you don't I don't Wii but I don't we have standings why don't we watch the game. Yeah I would you know you'd you'd look at the out of town scoreboard and go. Hey Boston lost Ottawa lost Philly lost but we got no nobody got a point that I wouldn't get anything that anything we got to know point get there were four games the NHL last night where no team got points I mean it is and and again it's just different math you're on our side you know you're a B really you are what you what you're trying to do is incentivized winning more bright. I. Aren't saying what a great game and not all or gotcha points want. The a perfect fit yes Steve I say I'll I'll I'll say again that you're trying to make winning more important right when you say you want. Two points for a win and everybody else can you know. Forget it I don't care you tied to bad it's about winning. Death with a 321 point system is supposed to do. It incentivizes. Winning. You win in regulation. I'd be 2401. I hit three points I should get more than the team that won in the sixth round of a shoot out I've played a better game than them. I need more than them. So you know you could there are more drastic waste even do it. But the number one goal should be incentivizing. Winning and skating in trying to score and trying to win. So I I understand that twice they were on the same side it's just different math to. You know you want a great game once I get to overtime where each team has zero points okay. I'm playing the leafs they're playing mean we are. Close in the standings what does that overtime look like. When if I'm the team that's in front in the standings. Argus sit on this American points we're back in points it's it's basically kneeling on it you know it every game is gonna be subject to the standings. And here it is that you don't want the league to have embarrassing moments and they have head embarrassing moments the sabres in the in Tampa and sabres in Philly Tampa Philly Tampa Philly had one that was about the 131 the sabres in Philly. When the sabres last clinched a playoff spot like oh yeah sabres only needed one point right the flyers are fine with that right and sort they decide thirty seconds they just stood still the clock back on their own and no I'm like hey let's each get a point and let's get out of here you know standings will matter. If you have ties. The go to overtime B 00 in the each team gets zero points. I could if I'm Boston playing against Ottawa. Last night they plate and I think let's stay ahead of these guys in the standings you say play hard for sixty minutes sure I'm I wanna get a win once again halfway through that game. Up a goal or tied. The boys let's shut it down they're not passing us today. Yeah I think Steve is a couple things. That I wanted to bring up I think. I I do believe at the end of the day. It be really hard to play a game and have have essentially have a not count. Like it never existed you'd be playing a game with no window lost no points nothing what I still think you have a big problem. Having a format where two teams plight. And they play for sixty minutes. And 65 minutes and it's tied. And it doesn't exist in the standings built that the number goes up in the games played column and nothing else changes no win no loss no tie no points nothing it's. I'm not sure how I how I come to grips with having these guys go out and and play for sixty about minutes and have nothing to show for at the end of the game. I think what it all comes down to whether it's Jeremy 321 figured to vs zero. With what essentially we're talking about scaring the coaches is is getting the coaches to get off their butts and go for wins and not. Coach to preserve a point to preserve a Ty let's let's not coach did not give up a goal. Let's coach to score. And how you do that. I I don't know but I think that's Richard getting to. You're trying to scare the coaches and and your point would be if coaches know at the end of the night I've got a chance for zero points. I'm gonna be more aggressive I'm gonna go for two points in trying get a win tonight. And they would coach differently. And there's the number of times it would happen. Under that scenario there would have been nine Toronto Maple Leafs games this year where nobody got any points and the achievement and she's there would be to ten Florida Panthers games ten flyers game seven sabres games to seven to save jobs and no one gets points nobody. It's hard to come to grips with that really is I don't know how you could have its name and I had it reflect understanding that kind of ends up being the same net result as the 321. All happen you'd say sweet Toronto and Florida tide last night but then again. Like if Toronto and Florida play a sixty minute game. 65 minutes and tie 33 units a great game nobody gets points in a restored three and three by the way because at the sabres and flyers the same night. Go to overtime and play three on three in buffalo scores buffalo it's true. And the other two teams that played just as hard to that they get in London because nobody scored three on three like. The the loser point and I've got another person to convert the loser point is not your enemy. Never coming here I don't like hearing losers get rewarded have you watched pro sports in the United States of America losers get rewarded. That's what are our support systems are set up to reward losers draft picks high picks are compensation. Law salary caps. Revenue sharing. Teams that don't make money teams that don't win are constantly propped up with resources to be better. It's mean we've done it with the sabres obviously Edmondson has been propped up with the best player in a generation. In part because they got decent odds to win a lottery pick. American sports is about propping up losers. Constantly him and yet this point. This point it's given out at the end of regulation. For a tie. In the interest attic making the game more exciting it still has this reputation as some sort of entitlement for losers it's just the tot. They played it was sixty minute time. And then the league says. Let's try to have some fun and give out another point which which worked but it's the whole right the guarantee of the points grew get in the third period. Knowing you get a point as long as you don't lose completely told coaches. Don't be aggressive in the third period you know shut it down. I got a point you know what good overtime. I'll have my guys be looking to score an overtime I get extra point as to the point of or lose decades it. It didn't intensifies. Incentivized the third period all it did was sit Darcy or Lindy a and it was Garcia of one of the two always used to talk about how the game begins at a point. It's 00 from the game begins I have a point if nobody scores I walk away with a guaranteed points. So what's the incentive for anybody to score. Kevin tweets and UN radical ideas the image of one radical ideas there's a radical one from haven't. One point per period. Ties roll over myself like NASCAR like a skins game and I'm certain. I don't know if it goes to overtime it's worth four points no loser point all they were all okay rollovers while. Separately ignoring the Irish awarding port every time you win a period you going to be more point every time it's tied. It rolls over OK I got you were tied through truth yet turn the NHL and it was skins game so if the first period was tied the points roll over into the second if I win the second. I get that point and the point from the first and if there are no points in the first of the second or tied. That's funny it's radical it is why not I thought it isn't NASCAR doing that right. For every certain number of laps at Daytona the name awards some points I believe so. Yeah. And in my mission. And in life Joseph just Twitter and take away the point from the loser in overtime. My mission in life to eventually convince every hockey fan that's ever lived that you lose your point is your friend. It is not your enemy. I want to share very difficult to do well on a share to eventually that made me cringe and made me realize that maybe it is time to get rid of the shoot at somebody tweeted and what do Major League based. All adopted the NHL format for tie games played one full extra inning if nobody scores. Home run derby. I thought oh god no. I mean please know a home run derby to decide a game after ten innings. You know what just put the runner at second base in the top of the tenth let's do that instead I had. And I think your point is that you're not a fan of the shootout because I would hate the idea of a home run derby deciding a baseball game. 8030550. Join us dated 8550 to 515 to share your thoughts on. On hockey why are we talking about this stuff because the NHL was brainstorming yesterday well the GM's anyway. Met Denham Boca Raton Florida the the general message they had different ideas but the general message was they need to find a way to. Limits defense. And at that would increase offense in their game going forward so we're kicking around what they were talking about and ideas you have as well at 8030550 also. Football the free agency contact period starts today at noon. What should bills be looking for it ever tonic cap room they made a little more by releasing guys yesterday. They can make even more cap room. They wanted to cut guys like Corey grammar Aaron Williams or restructure some contracts but as far as free agencies concerned since they can start talking to players at noon what you want the bills to do. What position you have to come up with names that are needed to do any scouting if you don't you know you did great. But plan of attack get a wide receiver get to get to safety. What you want to do in free agency since the contact period opens today and you know quarterback too by the way if you got a preview quarter keep forever Tyrod feel free to give us his name. 8030550. Have got to deal of the day if you today throw my buffalo perks program here's what it is it's a 52 dollar certificate. For four tickets to select performances of the shrine circuits. That's at the fairgrounds events that are and you get a only 25 bucks trapeze artists tigers juggler is high wire acts clowns. Tell that they show on a daily greens. Again that's that my buffalo perch dot com it's a 52 dollar certificate get to four tickets to select performances of the shrine circus. At the fairgrounds events and are your cost just 25 bucks if you wanna take advantage of that great deal of the day. Just go to my buffalo perks dot com. And here the first thing Everett wants to view and I think of a new point formats take a look at today's standings and trying modeled him and figure out where their team might be but. Racer was saying there is an. Ending out the window changing the point format would absolutely change the game is played entity standings would be absolutely worthless. Frank serve Alex yes that's one of the questions that wanna bring up with them bounce. When he joins us at 745 if changing to a 321 point system would change yes so he coaches today and we've talked to the bottom few times for the he said yes you know. You'd be more aggressive I would think you gotta you gotta deal a three point win. You know you want to point your you're down. You know 67 points in the wild card standings five whatever it is now. Op pay freeagent contact period opens in the NFL today at noon so you can talk to agents free agents you can't officially XQ a contract. This is not supposed to until Thursday at 4 o'clock. Boot so the will of the week of rumblings from last week's gonna intensify even more so now the teams can talk to players then you're already see in you know if you go on online. Pro football talk all the different places about you know teams that are and didn't certain players. You know we've heard about the bills and Camara consult failure eat you'll find all that stuff today and again you can you can talk contracts. In exposed to reach a verbal agreement and officially XQ the deal but whatever I'm free agency and. NFL do you believe it is like a waste land of regret. Sun's gonna sign Stephon Gilmore given fourteen million dollars a year right there. Every single one of these moves won't we judge on who their quarterback is the bearer sign Gilmore will say movement wants that money. Where is the patriots if they were assigned and we sick while look at that well what them what a move they have the room to do it and he's gonna help them or if he signs the Packers vs the browns like. Don't we look at almost every free agency move as how is it in terms of fitting in network. Quarterback I would look at the players like a Stephon Gilmore went to Chicago I would think. What do you think why would you wanna go there that are gonna win right you're good player but they're there and they have Jay Cutler all the moving on from Jay Cutler then why would you wanna go to Chicago. You know if someone goes to our what we say here earlier with the receivers that are on the market and join come here right now. Dip I mean if they keep Tyrod Taylor it's not exactly a great passing offense here. Would a free agent receivers the bills have signed there was. I was glad I've and it gives I'm trying to think daughters are stick it one of the guys in free agency a camera for its Kenny stills Kenny Britt. One I think one of those guys. Head over a hundred targets last year and think and they're gonna come here get how many targets as the number two receiver next season in the soften them. Torrey Smith last year had to when he catches. One so maybe he'll come here and think man I need forty things went so bad for him. Last season maybe goes back to Baltimore in other you know who knows what the ravens are gonna do maybe. No they don't bring back Omar Aiken Steve Smith retired right so maybe maybe Torrey Smith ends up in Baltimore he was released yesterday said he is on the market. The bills released five players we have details of WGR 550 dot com in that group Dan Carpenter and cal Roby Coleman. All of all the bills opened up about six million dollars in cap space is there purportedly. Offered the low tender to restricted free agent running back Mike Gillis and what does it mean it means he would make one point 79 million dollars this season bought it also means the bills would have a right of first refusal if a team. Gives him an offer sheet. And the bills that they decided to. Not match the offer sheet we get a fifth country after its compensation. NHL GM meetings were held began yesterday invoke their talking about ways to limit defense. In the game going forward sabres for the flyers tonight 730 NBC SN for the TV side. Rick and rob with a call here on WGR Ottawa beat Boston Tampa loss to the Rangers last night at a college hoops. Well it's at Kent State beat central Michigan last night why is that significant UB now knows who they're playing in the quarters Thursday in the Mac tournament they'll play Kent State. And congratulations to Blake Hamilton WB second team moment. I do not know the answer this question so I'm asking you can asking you in the listeners and Brayton and everybody. Who always the last wide receiver of the bill signing free agency. What if you could talk like guys off the street last year I don't mean likely Austin hunter I don't mean like that I mean like a guy a that had been in the league or it was we brought in blank I wouldn't count Hogan and hope no I wouldn't I don't know about him because he was on hard knocks in Miami. GO well there you go yeah that's the right answer Tara loans that was to Dow. And seven. Point there aren't a lot. And turn the other guys they would assign additional resource you know 2009 Maurice is 2009 to march 7 in a march 7 2009 yeah. But I mean Terrell owns 2009 I mean there were a couple of others that. Had I mean like one got a comes to my mind is peerless price went in early stint with the bills. Last inning came back for another year I can't remember 12 here once did he did I think I thought it did I don't remember going back I don't remember that Allen but draft pick guy malls draft pick Evans draft pick I mean the better receivers that have been here have been draft picks and try to think. Even before TO. How many guys would have commend. As far as receivers go for it's it's not along with 8030550. Join us. Jim is next up here and WGR gonna Jim. Hey I think about a point that some yeah itself. 321 point at some three point but the winner semen not regulation there are but I losing their typical overtime. Two points. Ruining team and I want her absolute thing and then it that I know team score. 01 point each side note should go and men at their country over. So that 321 system except with no shootout and a tie and a tie at the end I'm good at that. And cut I'm OK with that get rid issued out just about Indian sunset devised the regulation wins all you need to do that's the most important thing. May have and you kill shoot out at the same time it's about me or. Yes I am right. We've had a bad idea we were number answers to our wide receiver question to Percy Harvey and obviously just keep few years ago right Brad Smith. Yeah have but I mean he was like a gadget guy and win early yes OK that that counts accounts that I think. Yes absolutely counts coast price to play two's did he apparently did not. Ever him coming back played nine united 2002. When the falcons and cowboys and 0607. He came back and did any I can just the overall elect I'm shirt let's see he played mean twenty games overall in 2006 and 2007. And had a real touched ice. God you're making this is incredibly I'll make an up this is like that you were hurt and let's call it warmed some people have an alternate reality of what Nelson Mandela's life was about something. What's a cult. There's a there's a term for a where your little had to eat their that. If I told you you'd newbie it's so long and tedious or doing anyway but it half of society thinks that the parents staying bearers. He picks a bears they mayor I remember in the look at look at Jim you know how to spell parents think. BE RE NS TEI and her that's right that's how most people think it's spelled it's not how it's spelled OK and there's this. Stupid random theory about how there are multiple time lines in the universe and get half the world thought anyway. Can I. Now I think it's that he was not here you're lying. Thirty of our listeners know I'm talking about the rest in the commencing which is probably normal I always secure in sending the price later for twenty games in 2006 and 2007 and imagine what game that's I'm not kidding I mean I know my memories going. It's fading badly in this a lot of stuff I forget I have no recollection he's right. Sixteen games in 2006 he had. 49 catches for 402 yards. It's the Mandela a fact thank you for the sixers yet Google or Wikipedia the Mandela affected more I can articulate lay out what I'm trying to say. No way I cannot remember a fearless. That connection and Eliot Drew Bledsoe had a safe and stay in here that I didn't for that I remember where it was when was the the Jim Kelly hugs him in the snowstorm game was that in a jealous it first in first short it was like two dollars and terms I'm trying to think of all moment. Any moment from peerless price is second stint with the bills I have many dog three touchdowns. Hole. That happened apparently I I struck a summoned tweet me a memorable peerless price moment from his second stint with the bills. Their country touchdowns and an 074 right as the economy and 074 games. Seven catches he caught the winning touchdown from Lawson and in Houston according to will no kidding I should I remember that game. Lee Evans had a big day yeah get a big lead they blew it came back and won a loss and let it dry. Okay like this is so bad that's that's incredible bag I suppose that happened. 2006. Yeah it was targeted 78 times. In Houston won twelve okay I'm looking at I got a box of rocks Korea. And I ate pride myself on remembering huge on random things like I'm not surprised I forgot. I'm stunned you forgot because I. I forgets there couple attacks were getting the price of these fifteen faith news alternative fact sifting yard pass from J. P. Losman nine seconds left in the fourth quarter in Houston. I remember I am I yet I don't get the ball. Lee Evans had 283 or touchdowns that day. Wa I guess it's easy for another receiver to have been overshadowed Mac gamely and what lake. But still hundred yards receiving I mean. That was like the zenith of JP gloss means time with the bills of the got remember who threw the game winning touchdown pass to him. Who you could've done is contribute on that and all the hints in the world and able to guess peerless price. You're just price what are my favorite bills of all time meat to win his first stretch here when Bledsoe was here with molds and Chrysler that tool more great I was so excited when they re signed him to. They were fun you know they were so much fun I can. August dad I. I I gotta go find a job flipping burgers more more free agent receivers the bills have signed Mike Williams of course OK but I yet I think James Lofton way back when Billy Billy broke snapped. And it's about ever won were we meant literally was evident but quarterly Billy Brooks now gone back into the nineties. So it's it's not exactly a long list of receivers that came in here through free agency. Come more texts to a jock calls finally got a few guys I yummy. Meat. Maybe and another tax imagine my happiness. To be able to reuse that peerless price Jersey when he when he recited. I guess again peerless Jersey you're definitely arm that stand. And maybe alcohol help remember. I did about the sabres head coach on the way next 8030550. You to join us 888550. To 550 WGR. Sure enough. Season when you really want to know what's going on with the receivers crazies on the net and as you grass there furiously head coach of the Buffalo Sabres fan violence not with Howard in Germany right here on the whole mob the Buffalo Sabres don't you GR. Radio five. Thought you might call you melts your power of attorney bite into and and in health helping your business stay healthy and my clothes you casino resort falls through casino resort Niagara Falls can. And sabres got there about is not a AT&T hotline the sabres tonight hosting the flyers it's a 730 game. It is on NBC has sense of you wanna hear Rick and rob on the call the game this would be the place to be WGR Sports Radio 550 coach Howard and Jeremy good morning. How Oreo. Good morning guys compliant thanks well. Then they would say is no easy way to get to the first question it was a very painful weekend for you guys in many different ways shapes and forms. You had some meetings yesterday with the players. What was your message to the group. I think if this team. Over the last little bit here is so we've got opportunities to win hockey games and had a lead in games on back to the Arizona game. And Tampa Bay game with a little bit different story along one game and we were up one nothing in that scored the second. Well we've lost that game and a shootout but is. Well. Learn how to win hockey games in the that he killed in the small things that at a big thank. Turn out to be too different to an agreement. That's the kind of an historic brushed. In the game used to make games that we've been an. How troubling is it you know the phrase you just brought up Danube brought up with us before Tim Murray has brought it up he's been on in the afternoon with Mike and Chris. Learning to win hockey games for your six. The sixth it net 66 games into the season. How troubling is it that the team is still try to for a how to learn those close win those close games. I think that that's that process that so we've bit and here for a few years. Is. In Italy in order to two learn how to win the game you gotta be in the big schemes the tight in important games. And you know that's that's of that every. You know as the season goes we've had these critical moment critical games where horror. Carol just a Boston against Kenya right correlates with against teams here that are overall play for points. Try to get this race and and the of the game you have to be in to try to try to learn to try to limit learned what a game enough preceded the in a different story than though when it's critical time of the year and that's where find ourselves in now. How does a team take the step Dan. To how he'll learn how to win those critical games what do they have to do better. I think it's just realizing the importance of of Maria played every detail I go back up. The Tampa Bay game until one nothing game. And its face off school like Tampa Bay that they score the tying the law that actually. When agreement that won one time we go to overtime. It's it's yes we've we missed assignment on the face off play. And do their sentiments scored a goal but it's a series of events leading up to that. I'll play it the neutral loan the racing. That allows. Tampa Bay get their top line on the ice for a faceoff called the dark at his own. I'm so we we can be. We we miss the silent on the face off or put it that critical plays leading up to that that is the difference in that game and and that's. Something that you we knew the importance of every player of the importance of every detail. When your when your opening game and in Pittsburgh in. Europe three nothingness it's not the plays at the end of the game which placed in the second period. That. Lead up to eventual. Ahead of the game that's the detail that we are we yet you better read as as. As a team that individual players. Went when you're in a stretch like this so. Through I think 33 period leads in the last five games in the and they have not been able to hold on to Demi end up losing those games. Does how much does it get into the minds of players and we've talked about whether that team sits back sometimes in the third period you'd you do end up getting 49 shots in Pittsburgh south. Celek you're out shot fifty to pointing in the second and third. How much does he get into their heads in a stretch like this hour up one gone in the third all there we go. But I think if you know we use. It most certainly. Most certainly does some players are. Players are human worry human and and when you give up a lead and in Arizona on. You get that same lead again. They give up another lead to get that same lead again in the third period we've. It talked about it and you know we've talked to vote in the moment but stops where we want of the that we want it to happen again tonight against sort Alter that we get the three not illegal we don't work put in that situation where we have to. After the shop are you want to period dock your one period are we ignored heavily. About it's you know you're talking both Florida ought to be in those situations we want it most Utley like getting to that situation I didn't do that appropriately. Ten miles and joining us here on the eighteenth yelling Dan your special teams I think the entire year it's kind of been like this the power play near the top. The penalty kill. Near the bottom sol let's let's start with a penalty kill why when you look at it why has it been such a weakness wise have been such a problem. For the entire year. The and I think you know special teams our focuses. It's day to day you look at Ara penalty kill number. Not 76 point one for the year we know exactly what that the Wii it's not very good. One night civility and and but. As of recently the game to game situation the last two months it's it's much better number than that and oh that's kind of our focus for special teams it's always seen it doesn't matter our our place. A pattern near the top of the league in the top three it should keep the game for our oil. And that's our focus appellate killed so there is no different we yep mentality that we're gonna. Go over the boards and get that kill for a team at a critical time. Of the game in every game to its it's a key to every excuse every game so. You know we greatly justice or penalty kill it got dark so much better job ice. Oh there pressure and and not allowing keeps under the so we've been better and little more aggressive. Stance and a little more aggressive whether there or guys. And got a much better job with that you know and you look at the overall crux of of the season special teams is critically important and our that a politically delicate penalty kill over the 65. Game that is really. You know really cal lettuce down in and really focus over the last two months has been. Correct in that blew that move that up towards the 80% range. Den in the in terms of centro on the topic of things that need to be better let me bring up shootouts we haven't had a talk about it in a while you had gone. Geez I think or two months between shoot outs. I'm flummoxed at that the idea that a goalie could be all for eight in shootouts with what how do you explain what happens to Robin Lehner in shootouts. I would start of that word used. Like that don't ask me this ballot you can use it as have no idea how it's spelled. So why you not your right it did what happened. So Robin maybe even heard that word. And see the doc brought to a little bit the situation. Where you you know you'd give up too. Third period lead in the digital in the next the next item visited the players have of course it's in the course in the players. That in and you think about it going into the third period. And I think a little bit per round and you got to. You know you gotta skills competition that piece not done well and then. Gotten a little bit. Problem is that you know in our head in his in the immediate point. You know we've we've changed Robbins approach changed his positioning we've changed is. You know how we practice that and you know we developed for a long time I was open that Bentley we. Reset button and forgotten. Put to the cabbage you know we came out there are well. The the idea of taking him out shoot out is what 0%. You you would just never do that I assume. Well right a I wouldn't say. We're we have been that good. On either the yet either guy that we won once you know with. Liners against Pittsburgh earlier in the year. But are we have been that good with we you know audiences. And a little bit struggled with a shootout after the Pittsburgh game as well short cut drastically different numbers. We gunners there and and frankly. You know we want shape Robin we need is horrible and and we haven't given of that sport but cola. Goal aspect of it put a lot of pressure on everyone obviously it's. Yeah the other I was gonna the other side is like you said and the scoring and the team is three for seventeen. In shootout attempts this season. I mean you practice it is there anything else you can dude to try and help the shoot out percentages who what what a jurist the staff you've talked about those numbers to. He had it and you know we haven't had a shootout while we before every game we have we have actually some good numbered shooters percentage wise. In our group from Tyler Ennis. Q I'm just curious in this go on before and and Jack and Kyle and Ryan are all good numbers. A map Bolton has good numbers before the game. You know scout of our of their goalie in this go to our players LaRue who did that success against them. In doses. Perhaps sometimes got so wild card at their big goal the threats that recently saw that. That switch up our markets which are more look bulge over the ticker going desperate point trying to get. So you wanna go with. You can savages and you wanna go with a good shooters but perhaps we need to you know all the wild card adamant. Decreased about there's try to change or moto. Tell summit to do the coach ruff moved here than. And it didn't I didn't irritate urge your doll that. I injury update real quick and then I also wanted to talk about the GM meetings briefly if I can. A. A post so cooler coffee what's going on with cooler cough. Yeah he's day to day at this point in time in and he got an upper body injury. Let Kyle Kyle got a rib injury and he's a week to week right now and really. It's. You know set before it's voted seven to ten days ago and reassess where he's that. Well become an up the border seven days for Karl. Yeah about a with a Sierra on our AT&T hotline sabres play the flyers at 730 tonight we'll have an on WGR. So you're busy with your own stuff I don't know appeared took a look at what the GMs are talking about yesterday at the meetings in Boca Raton. I'll give you a couple of highlights. They're talking about ways to limit defense. And Brad tree living from Calgary said we always talk about creating offence we give it to our coaches ten minutes later they figured out how to kill the idea that. Your thoughts coach stand miles north of what the GMs are saying. That that's an old stuck in old. Adage. Or it's a slew last forty years in the game where. You know you you can. Coached defense not to view what happened and rule changes oral. And I appreciate that are. Their belief that that's the case for us coaches. We're capable of doing that when they cured if rule what we also. Don't get a strong we try to looks. Exploit the rules. You know profit as low mortgage industry and three were not trying to. Or tried to go in the game so we've looked at least play defense and oh we also look org to get off that's that. And I I agree with them a 100% and I just think they should make it play defense more. And if if they want us to give if they want to give more gold make as we eat it or so I know victory allowed a lot of it drew a lot of stop at the walls the yesterday I heard that conversation about a number of those things. I'm really ever make that play defense more minute tally the entire two minutes. A call or probably more ways for the goal goal of that whether it's. You know we have the high stick in Pittsburgh. And I think it with a high stick but there's no way to overture and I think you know generally speaking the lesser. Koch stick straight up for the year Arctic should go and that it goals and that it should count always in. We have a few more gold than we though more offense and if we had more powerful ways. They're your entire two minutes to go ahead asserted there no matter what for two minutes like five minute major. Get a power play more opportunities you have more goals in the meantime. I'm all for having more goals in the game. I think I got a tweet from some and sometimes deadly I think you're just alluding to this or giving a little stuff the guy treated in and said. A lob a hand pass in the offensive zone but players kicked pox and let them current their sticks or whatever the way they want and that would all lead to I think would it would help lead to more office. Aren't I grew although victory. Well also stop allowing tackling. I would or thrown around Dickson jedi Knight throwing strikes an accident that would be yeah that would be a good thing to do you go horse on the nightly basis. Asking why they don't call penalties. I mean I don't know is that a is that are just a reality that a coach got asked except or do you still does driving outs and nightly basis. Say I think the thing that aggravates it a little bit we've gone through you know longtime McCain would different. Rules call them different standards of the changes standard and all four. They came back to lock code we we went through a series oracle a lot of college. But I aggravating part I think the minutiae. You know better Cain steadily in the offices all that they call. And that you don't use the hijacker ordered that go around defenseman and and you get a no call if we're not gonna call penalties let's you know use your fine with the general in your file that. But when you get a pedal you like one of the rink and you don't see it happen. You know a player like activists happens to the good players in the league would. You feel like. You could call penalties you know for penalties against Jack and I ate and you don't get the calls we you know we discover. You know an idealistic tell you the consistency is really the thing that as coaches you get horse on on the bench. If you don't know food and you're called here violent or Seattle rep pre that altered early game. He you know that refereed here you're trying to file that put. It's the Indian consistently if you like action or call against. One quick thing before we let you go on Jacqui mentioned earlier this week that he can kinda. He's got to decide or he still does the kind of work into what player he's going to be the guy that scores a lot of the playmaker. How much of that is. Up to you when Tim Marie in the and player development I mean it's in others a part of that that Jack's obviously just gonna kinda. His skill will come out but then there are the positions that you guys put him in so when you look at the overall skill set when you when you see the ceiling and where it might be I think back. On the pre season you talked about his shot and how you thought there was going to be a big thing this year in the knee injury kind of you know put things on the back burner for awhile like. Where does his career goal from here and how much does the team have in terms of of developing him into the best player that he can be. But I think you know this is not a it's. Situation on our debt and before we previous players in. You know jackets certainly more than more than finding that the way we're kind of foresee can be. And the options off but decided the pocket and what he can do it last year going back app this season. You know he has the puck on the stick second most in the National Hockey League east true. And parts of the she's an extra of the exactly where he has fought on the an awful lot of playmaker I think he's the pastor or not. A playmaker at heart where he grew up doing I think. That's his nature and I think he's learning how to. Old beaters who shot can be not only is the tools score goals but it's a tool. A breakdown of fences in and you know when you should depart Eumig Huntsman turn you get guys that create Havoc. At least you know sometimes. Some players all the issues to talk to horrible. And and jacket learning how to use the shot to be more effective. Guys breaking down defenses giving creating rebounds at the net or. Which are a lawyer for lively tour going there. And you see I think you're seeing the result of that of him developing in that aspect is. Over the last two months where he's been at a point regain production. Missed about a thank you kept to a longer than normal appreciate given that your time is always and good luck tonight against the flyers. 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