It's Mike show name any word in less than a second I will tell you how many letters are in it but I cannot. I'm not anything mechanically I don't even ought to put a team together for three year old spend a Bulldog. Whom he wants. Shame on. Shame on you. People we can't get fooled again on WGR. Sports break. You know. If that edited or did that old slick still out exactly it's it's a little short and he takes a little bit longer let Pete let's agree for a little while before he gets in you know. The lyrics happen that that's awesome. So great as it's both. You know. Hilariously. Not that Smart and I'm from sort of this deltic about it at the same time somehow tomorrow W manages that right now. I think what is say this before tomorrow when everybody's trying harder to stay on the roads and deal with the snow wanna say something that you know I'm just being. Just being dramatic here I wanna say something that you might lose control the vehicle but. Today it seems like a safer day to have that happen and tomorrow might be okay. I did not realize. How old ready I was for this bills coach. Yeah I I mom. Bit but I had that. Thought when you were laying out the first portion of the show this like this motivational speech is generally speaking my thought. So view. And that sort of talk is like vet your version of hell. We're listening to someone talk to you that way. Or. And furthermore. Even then trying to create. I'm gonna say the C word our culture within the team that would promote a more positive outlook towards winning. And a more positive self image but a lot of itself. I think. Sitting here with you all these years I think Utah and its sort of sloth that's golf ball and just talk. You're good you're good you're going along that. So. I'd write I don't even really wanna deny that I mean not. IE believe that I believe good is good I believe. That talent. Is more important and when you have talent you'll get your culture what the bills did in the eighties. I think that that culture. You know tell your stories I think that culture. Came from they were too good to lose. I think that's probably right. I think that's probably right there has to be a buy yen and I don't know guiding guy on this team like some of the reporters do and certainly people within the team would. But. I want to. Minute and a hopeful way I want to believe. That this coach who comes off nicely. In certain ways comes off is really serious. You know no no joke he he doesn't come off as anybody like Rex Ryan had a career earning had a name. But. He was just kinda silly then. And this guy is the opposite of that. And so. It's a. Pretty easy. Move I think for McDermott as long as he heads. The credibility part which I think he should have he's not like a big name coordinator but these guys have a good reputation. The move is I hate chose this. I chose this team to coach you. And I want. You know I want you to know that Iraq's talk like that the rest of it is. This this particular idea. That the bills. Players are the the misfit toys comic con a group. That older teams didn't want. And things. I don't know if that would be McDermott style to have sort of leave them but I think it's it's a choice that a coach would have. But he does take some some humility those take a little bit of you know swallowing hard and we are not New England. Where we were not trying to beat New England were trying to be something different and take them down. We are a underdog team and an underdog city. That you know does not I don't want this to be like. Word for word he thought wow this article should talk is there be some mistakes but just that they are all I have. I am a guy you say but I still like the idea of the bills in the sabres. Talk coaches talking to players or management talking to players and coaches theoretically this way. We are an underdog we are going to play like one nobody will work cost. Nobody. Will I'll toss a loss. That is how we're gonna do this. Meet the Terrell is nice to mean drafting Jack Michael police your gateway to really good teams and it that's because. He's he's big talent. But. That the the buffalo. Model if you will for me is. Playing like an underdog which which you are. So Stephon Gilmore was too good for us. He's gonna name his daughter Giselle I don't know if that's me don't mean your kids to be funny. He probably probably has all the reasons. Dislikes the name I don't know what the days with the weekly and his daughters as well that's that's hilarious. Whatever where you are out there who cares that. He goes there you know he flips you off it in the process. Offs. So what's our reaction going to be. Well as we said earlier and we we elaborated on this some would sell an hour ago a guy I I think that is something that would really work for the fans I think you gotta be careful when you're talking about the players. No as Elise is that pertain specifically to Gilmore because the the other players on the team. Players that are friends with him still. Would I think there might be used them like the potential for another rule there. But two I wish I was Stephon Gilmore not socially wanna get out here than I what you which just. I blow forty million dollars would that be great and gets to go be on the best team in the league. You know map and author and I'm here so you don't think fought him all you want by. I don't know man Mike McConnell loses me so I think if you if you get specific like that you'd you run a certain risk. Although I don't like the split as much as the one I just made. Playing the underdog card to such an extent sort of set yourself up. To really what you're telling your players is you're not as good as the name you're not as talented as those guys. And that can be tricky to there's all these guys think they're great. You know they I'm I'm in the NFL I played it wherever I pleaded your name near school I'm I'm good. What do you what do you mean I'm an underdog to them you know I mean. You tell me when I can't line open play the same game make them. Play them see now I actually do like the idea of the coach telling his guys that. Whether it's Riley a mop. Or what I mean I do I think you can say that to the Buffalo Bills I think you can say that to the bills. You're not doing yeah I am saying that I am telling you and I am telling you that. I think beckoned back foyer then when you beat and when we beat them then you can you know tell me this ticket but. Mean they don't idolize Gilmore that might NB Gilmore every Brady. But watching them. This notion that there too good for you that you can't beat them beat him a couple times even last year but you know there are pretend to be asterisk on. Any of the games winning this thing the thing about. All of that like I I I'd like this a what you're thinking like this and end and it is like somewhat unconventional for you to be the one bringing this sort of thing up. But hunt I'm gonna say what I think you might say back to me if I were saying everything you're saying. The targets of results otherwise he's just human please give us sound like any other coach but I like that he seemed really serious. But. I am I. I much different prop I am sure in significant importantly. I am no different than the players on the team. But isn't there the potential for some amount of I roll even within the team win the pool table in the video games get taken out there. Ago period a year ago. And I had this I had this guy had a guy like this in college they don't hysterical has been through amen my coach les toll had a mere seat yeah right so the cycle. A load. Loose fun and players god I hate to mean. Mercer additional could deploy Xbox anymore on guy. Oh OK quick. I am inclined at this point in this again is not necessarily something I would expect the players to have as healthy adults. All of this I do. It's possible that would be there that they Gillick. OK but really the guy can't because suddenly here they came out with a dress coat. And said like you you know what this week we want you can Wear slacks. To work. Gonna do it can clear working right. On a good seriously and working here twenty years and elegant like a little bites and dockers. Well the whole scored on why he worked with well what's gonna make me better at this coming out. You know the silly. There might be useless some of that within the bills team already. The bills though have to. Grants that they've lost some put us right and so they're there should and probably in pro sports usually is. That when you are when you've been looser there there shorten. Their should be I think we as fans might tend to or even media. Over estimate how much of that there is there. Get paid I got a looks good you know I think the biggest thing McDermott this is I think almost directly what your speaking to with all of this. Head is. And I would say this I think I did say this about any Coke's that was coming in here and he certainly qualifies he got the job. The biggest thing he has to overcome. Is in the amount. Of mentality that exists within that team. Of expecting. Less because. It's this is as we do it but this is good off this guy I work I'm goat were good. I know our record's not good but like my life good. That's a that's the mountains here as to why that is and but all the talk in the world. Dosing. Make that goal way I I think. You know you've you've you've come after it's he could players and get some results that I just don't know where. We asked to do is get guys who are feeling that way out of his way. He's got to get them out of his way he's got to get any bills players who feel entitled. Whether that's dar ES or not he's got to eat. They haven't won anyway so he just like I felt this way about wrong with Stevie Johnson and certain guys he's got very much to lose. With those guys and by the way for certain people were read the bills beat three in thirteen and hate hate Barry go besides that that he would be thinking that way. There's nobody on this roster the he has staff. So but there are some guys and Darius is one that he will have almost regardless of what. He'd like to do with the tech guy is an immovable object to the steam he could I'm gonna say it he could sit them. It Rex didn't do with Mario Williams and he had a problem. And engaged in with Mario Williams and wanna launch games in a row and made the playoffs if that's not too much of a stretch that is what actually happened now. You know we CE six. And there is a place for that in the pros in this division. With New England continuing to war over it. I don't think the coach. Should be afraid now to behave like that I would really dumb. Daddy is it that is an option. And of that accident bears watching I mean but they're there has been. Right through the years has grown especially like. We've heard you know 123 got clear of it by enough that the thing with more with what Maroney and arias. Went on route for a long time before Marron actually acted on. So you know that's a few years ago now Dwight still have a guy that is prone to that kind of behavior. If so then the scope should go for the good work it would be. It would be perhaps a real important moment for him but alternately. The guy. Passed through probably matter for you on the field and if you lose him. You just major trouble power thing. Do you start it it if you pull him out and you lose him you don't respond to it like jade giant seemed to have responded to it. The won't what what what are my chances of having a good year. And then there's the whole thing start to topple you know holy I wanna have this new culture and level as but were losing. And in part I'm losing because I'm not getting anything Aldo in one of the most important guys on the team like that can be that's tricky that's dealt. It it it's delicate but I just don't think it it. Should matter when it comes to wins. Mean it hasn't ever mattered when it comes to wins they've never won games for them. So I mean any defense of player in the league and any team is it really worth that much in terms of wins quarterbacks are but that's it. So I could lose when to arias got suspended I like it doesn't matter to me that he got suspended. And it didn't matter in their results were you that he was suspended for those games are the same team. So that what bill brings into question is signing him in the first place but that's you know. Water under the bridge right now. Now I'm a new coach and all right buffalo like a exit this exact thing same thing when Rome showed up exact same thing. And I think I would write what was that for years are no merit Marron Maroney shoulder some of those tendencies may be growing to them. And he was known at the end as a guy who just would not. Take it from anybody he wouldn't he wouldn't take the criticism he wouldn't. Take it from players he'd sit players it bothered me like in the case of jury use in the game was in Denver. The Morency was aware whether he was was on the field the key seemed just not that Smart. But. Mike Williams number that like his attitude waterless. It was collegiate or collegial it was you know I don't you work for me. And opens this coach is style this course seems to have a quiet. Sort of am self assured kind of way a bottom and he may not be boss he. But. I want him all you know and we talk about this I want McDermott. To be able to and feel like it's not something that he can't do which is the same thing. To sit guys down on this team if they don't. Go all in on being bills it's hilarious in retrospect it was hilarious at the moment it happened that Rex Ryan used all in for his team. And it was ironic and hilarious immediately. We in the off season all lame really. I mean I got a list of things here that are pictured out all in and it's may. So stop it. Right well the all a lot of what happened well. Right he never got it back on the road known. And I don't know a all of this sounds to me like you or your begging for McDermott to show up here. And create a winning culture. Before he wins. And you said it ten minutes ago or fifteen minutes ago. The ninety's bills had whatever their culture was because they had they were greatly big one and then like this culture but quit I created soul but it. I don't let's create culture I mean yeah I want them to have rules. Partly that's to say to me the same thing we knew we want him to bench people that don't wanna do what do with the way he wanted done. But that is I think he will. Do it. He's the kind of football coach that would say that is about creating a culture. You I think what you're saying here to meet sounds like you want him to create this winning okay attitude this winning culture and I its winning only. They win I mean I'm not trying to be obstinate here it's winning only if they win. That this kind of thing has worked in sports in the opposite kind of thing has worked in sports guys obscure what the players play not to know boss them around their grown men. Both of work in sports it's only winning culture if they win games. If he can establish. That. You have to meet a standard for him. Of competitiveness. And never ever reveal that you're giving less than that because you played for buffalo and it only means what it means. When you do when you show him that you can sit down like I can't win with you. That's all Parcells was. And that's a long time ago but that is you know I think that should be in place here winning. You know if that very close games they're winning half their games are today is if he can make Smart decisions. That. Use whether it's numbers. Or just strategy. To help this team win the close games then there's your winning culture you have a team right now it's average. And you don't punt on fourth and one is often or you come up with certain ways to you know beat your opponent to the spot. Then you have would then you have a winning culture because you have a winning team they can win games can you get that without all the other stuff I suppose. Due out. And that matters weighed more to me than whether or not he can. Lead on the law and and that I think. The idea of that in 2017. In moving forward I just I I I think that's hard and there's a reason why. Rex Ryan continued to play Mario Williams. And it is not just because he was make in nineteen million dollars is just because. He's the most talented guy I have and I. I'm not gonna be better even if he's half fascinate you still better than the guy behind him. And I think any coach that. But that that fails to recognize that that he has to on some level cater to the best guys on this team. Is is going to be in trouble. I maybe if ever there for a team that didn't need to think like that yeah this 117. Years who's expecting a playoff season mean this. I I think this coach should should recognize that he doesn't have to do that maybe things like you do that. It's really it really is how you have to be. I don't know. 8030550. For your takes much open the Bulldog back after sports on WGR. As a coach he's tough he's lord knows you know I still would amount of time that's where we weren't practice. You stand right in front running backs and practice went deep as ignorance no coach movement seem to get as much at this Marjorie. So he's you know me you know is this one of those things where he's a very tough colds when the same time he knows. No word by. Mike Tolbert. Bills fullback slash running backed. And the new coach Sean McDermott who he knows. We're talking about the C were cool but. Culture you brought it home I did but I really didn't use the word right. Always it was noticeable to me that you were. Oh intentionally but what are you were avoiding it and did everything you were saying I think ended up leading me to introduce him. Well you want this guy to change the culture of the bills. Tony is on WGR hello Tony. They were black guys they. You know I'm not someone who rolled my eyes that the idea of culture mainly because I feel like. You know I I tried to put the word culture. In its proper context which to me means nothing more than creating a work. And I don't need to have wins on my resume or anything like franchise with winds. To create a work in here and if you listen to. Alexander's. Sound bite not this past one put up the sport network talk about. I you know taking charge in meetings when there were so it's going I mean holy cow how many times did we hear that. About what. It was. You know Rex Ryan's work environment was at least in terms of being conducive. You know doing the work dirt during the course of the week. Com and you know that the whole pick in the Beijing's outage stopped like bad. You know I I think if I look at it kept cold is that kind of you know pieces from the same way I looked at Williams who just went to spar with the blow or. And on the team Tony excuse me before you continue on a team that didn't exactly need it I mean I say that now because. Making the play off of Wade Phillips seemed like great it would seem a great years now. So I guess then maybe there was that argument but it wasn't a team on a drought anyway. That's correct but he knew we would got a team that would headed toward a total rebuild would've bought Rockford turn over kids but if it wasn't that vary from about perspective. I remember all came in kind of the same way but he couldn't communicate you know you could tell the press conferences that you know no one wanted. You don't pay attention to what he would say and I would assume that leopard that the player as well McDermott seems to have a nice balance of the two. And I and it's funny that you just played that the sound byte of Colbert I think if there's. One you know. Signing that is being brought in you know strictly to help communicate. About it. I think Tolbert. Is that signing so I doubt about it was. You know this guys litany back up just by being real being the type of football coach that I like. You know that there could get by I I didn't need all that wreck the guys cooling and I'm digging it did get it. All right Tony thank you I agree with a lot of weeks what is wrong what happened when he's wrong with me. All almost all of it just sounds like a giant I rolled the me these bills culture. Don't Whaley works here I am old and go in there with his feet he's good it's gonna work this. With the tough guys' culture and moved to OK you completely belongs is upper hand eye coordination and old. And men and I'm not saying it's gonna worry you're not only Tony saying run or dislike how we sound out I think when I'm asking is why I don't. I don't know what happened to me I didn't I didn't hit my head. I'm just dumb. I guess when you open the offseason by saying I don't care what they do. That's where your live until you hear the coach talking and it's all just that it's the teacher on the peanuts. I mean I'm just about the of that well the ball well before Pope open. It's just I mean I'm enjoying this conversation and it's a commuter only talk like that about just what this coaches saying to me. He was done with the bills. Like the first Iraq's wrecked brightens like until more is over soul like I was right I'm not hearing anything that is changing me from. Just okay great. It's just another. I hope I'm wrong we hope this guy likes just makes me stop this. But it's just it is another in a long line you know of the alternative to the guy I just head coaching. Is what it is and read cycle through room for was sudden OK Gil that were to report. Kind of Wear them what you're saying I don't know what I'm missing and I'm kind of maybe saying I don't know why I'm not missing at her feet right out. I just like I don't know it's not a it's not a prediction of success for me it's more of a building block it's more fundamental. And it's something that. I would like it I would say. It'll work more often than not bid depends on its search with what the circumstances in the circumstances. Here. What would happen with Taylor that they would like to think has been put to bed. The way we. So off. Racks before the season's over before or even eliminated like its reporting for being reported but he's I'll probably disagrees too strong. The are you not that it's there are now Blige. All there was I think disarray is you know they might like it put too bad I mean they created it. That was amassed. The Thomas. Taylor did. Eventually. Choose them he did he did come back he played their game he came back at their price. And so he qualifies as someone who can and advertise for this who can motivate internally Lorenzo Alexander does. Eric does Kyle Williams coming back does. This coach in the people he's bringing in do. So they should have of a core group but if if corps has to be like the very best players and don't you score but they should have a group of players starting players. Who Micah Hyde. Who can and sell to consult. I wonder to what extent. The choices they've made so far in in free agency. Have to do with personality. Or character of these things I mean some they always will be. Usually they'll need some and always say that is the certainly won't. Tell you the guy has is bad for this but we wanted him anyway. You know he's so talented anchor duties criminal or talk about or talking about it. Here's Greg next on WGR Greg. Right throw the bomb. Grown ass man and the minute you start treating like kids in particular they're always I think it's gonna backfire and I and I would bet there's already. Bet as to when. If you get fired because. Where on the by the players by the Arab or I wouldn't really. Because you have three grown men like it hit. Many are doing that it. Making 345. Times more than they are the that he is so grown ups but they're also betting on when their old new coaches getting fired that's your point. I think so because I've played on a it would only high school yet but this thing I've yet this Iraq Croat that. You know I think he's proper suffer from short man's syndrome where he got to put laid out laden and the minute he started that nonsense. That team again yes it will but. You think this because you have the experience in high school more than you think this because you're starting the NFL. I think that because. As long as you're the only man even more so I think it will act of spite or because there and I. Can I squeeze in your Gregg as I wanna say it's you I mean a the point you're making about treating them like men is interesting and I'm I'm you know saying I'm roll my eyes have taken away the stuff to. Treating them like man by taking the wave video games in a pool table you you are right I mean I think that's like Boozer is this and that sort of some irony in that is an error. I don't know you're treating them like it would start doing that as a point. You're not treating them like mobile blog is saying is you're not treating them like kids then when you're giving them video games. You take away the gains in the poison and not all of thing but think kind of just blown off time when they. And that's the bit to the bat great storm in time for a lot of player. Okay thank you Greg I will I would bet since you brought up batting and that's my third subject. I would bet that there are lots of players who were better on this team that are ready for this guy. Well Watkins for one is you know everything your saying on what waiting to mention Watkins. Specifically as a talking point in all of this because what you what you need. Mostly I think if you are gonna win this team over this way you look at the coach is going to get this point crossing get. Point raw lots more cliches a significant amount of buy in to his cold sure. He needs. To keep people on the team to want it. And not just talk like they wanted when they talk to us publicly but really in their hearts and minds want it crave it needed. That is Watkins talking near the end of the year that you know I I I need that kind of coach like keep I don't have the quotes and army but he spoke. At some length cell talked about it for days about. Creed being a cold that would keep order around here but it do we need this so if Watkins. Is to be believed. In saying that for real. And is respected amongst his peers amongst the team. That's. That's a reason to get. Optimistic about McDermott. Pulling this off for getting somewhere with this because really as much as I'm rolling my eyes are taken away the stuff. I think you're treating you are treating the players the message you're sending is we're grown man we don't need to be playing before. When were at. I work to work watch it and know the rose fever here so that's that's the message with that. Yeah it's not so much that you're not treating them like men is that you are recognizing that there man right so aptly so let's start acting like it right. Let's start acting like this is our job not our plea place. Now well. I'm not sure I'd I'd go that far in the argument but I would certainly not consider what he did as. Not treating them like men mr. king my kids I would not say that. Thanks again Greg for the call 8030550. Much over the Bulldog WGR. We have an attack on Iraq we had imagined. Linda put together solve revenue recently Sean McDermott another NBA you're right I would definitely taken a bigger role we have more hopeful. More upfront in people's faces harbor Michigan moving in the right direction. I only have a couple of years left and I don't wanna leave our regret what they get it within a little bit more I'm only brought out fear in the locker room and on the field. Lorenzo. Alexander affect the bills might show in the Bulldog here yes. OK here is Jim Axelrod Jim it. Seven years whose only greet you ever say there's. Also a re your argument that. Blew. Right by. The notion that are left on his national. Or. Be. The case law are we yeah. She ought to kill the jets that are up. So we're both right. It has to be the theme but it won't matter. Ice I think I think he's got licensed to talk like that you know you're kind of saying it's still knocking him. Do it for the media must they have better players I. If that's really interest and to me. Apparently really really is because IE dom the you gave me a chance to say it I didn't say it. Lorenzo Alexander. Really like I know I know we had stats last year. But is it not possible that there were some want to Boston plays and he got some facts like that happens in the league you know. And I just. I don't know listening to him talk about what how we can establish himself as a leader in all this stuff I mean. He seems like a really good earnest guy I just don't know how duties. I think when it comes to defense. And I IE resembled this with my eight you know interest alloy talk about players and they sign everything else. I think when it comes the defense it doesn't really matter that much to me how good the guys are. I've got his first bulletin and even that easy to know sometimes I've got marshaled arias who has rarely go and I lose. I've guy a great defense two years ago it happened to have Dario sonet. That kind of fell apart with some of boast the same guys. I've got a New England defense that's you know OK on paper than they. Trade Chandler Jones in the trade Jamie Collins and they dominate. The league in points scored against him. Mean I I've got a got a coach there who makes it work. Yeah I know they have Tom Brady and a great offense by it make you work. By putting guys in the right positions and then also mean sorry. Do your job get in get commit it's easier to do that with New England goes you you know you're gonna win twelve games in the in the playoffs and it's always the chance to cheat. You might get some Intel because you're not supposed to have some advantages there it would help to. So I think with defense. There's there's there's randomness to it. And I think you know coaching. And so I've got a defense of coach is simply a serious guy got a good reputation. I'm not assuming will be good. Minute matters not ultimately whether Lorenzo Alexander is on the team not at all it even matters to me rather glorious on the team. And the fact guilt Morris left the team America certainly live with. So bad definitely antithetical to I can't win without good players are Jack cycle. To feel like I could have a chance of the Stanley Cup and I still feel that way as much as I did the day. The year they have as much as I felt that way that day any judgments. On the sabres at this point to me is just ridiculous. They have the great player and the rest can come you have to make good choices but you have a chance now. Defense in defense in the NFL I mean I hardly even care. Who plays for the team. But if I have a coach who can get their attention. And come up with things that the other guys not count on at a moderate talk about this stuff. You know especially when it's march but that I think I can be pretty good and that's a big part of why. Defense is just rise and fall all the time in the rankings because it's not so much about players. I don't know how long it would take us to really flushed this output is barely makes sense to me that you don't care about having pelted players on this site global. Think that the big game is still about. Kicking the crap out of a guy. And the better player the better athlete stronger got a faster guy who would there's a reason why Cleveland wants miles Gary Wright like he's a Superman. So I want back. So if Darius is one of the best defensive tackles I've got to find a coach that's gonna make that matter for. I've got to I've invested in them the pick and the money so. Find a way to make that we infamy okay that's what this defense of coach cast do and detailed global players. Just a matter to. Like I shouldn't just expect Corbin Bryant if court bright can give me the same result. Sean McDermott giving the same result Corbin Bryant. Dead as he can with martial artist playing the same position that I should be paying Shawmut turned fifty million dollars to scientist named hot. Martial artist. So Iowa New England on how to make away I don't know just gave Stephon Gilmore forty million dollars yes they did so like. The great players the skill the talent like that asked them as a matter I think it might be hard to measure your year and it can be variable but. I mean I don't know man I want I want which doctors whether a crime want guys that are 65 and and from the forty in 461 that's what I need on the books. I want the mean better battery is always better. But maybe I end up with fat cats who can't you know commit to my team that they can beat. Unfortunate unfortunate byproduct of having the super talented guys and I can end up in the ditch and that's where this bills defense was. With good players on soul. I mean I want it it's better to have the talent but it's vital. To have the direction. And so here's hoping. Desmond has a great article up about one particular. Choice people can make in a blizzard. And audit your opinion on that says you know from personal experience about this from both sides I imagine okay. 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