Jerry let's talk about jail with you that's your collar producing and bill CEO Russ Brandon on line Ross good morning happy holidays they could have been no there's guys. Chairman sell weren't very good -- -- to -- -- -- obviously Marshall MBA -- journal I did not I did not stayed away from another -- stay with managed to get around -- are you an -- and -- of the team. Arianna -- -- behavior you know you stressful than obviously but not liked what they did lessons from those are cool monochromatic uniforms. Yeah I've watched three or four nerves -- I'm actually a lakers fan because that was the only team out when I was a kid here -- buffalo -- the Celtics. And the sixers so it was nice for me yesterday in the big when he gets the next. I was good stuff. Russ obviously got a lot to talk about based on now what happened just before the weekend and on Friday -- the announcement of the police extension I wondered if we -- down. Ask -- about the process you know you've been updating us we've been hearing that you know to Oxford were moving in a positive. Direction so Odyssey now the agree the agreement and is is here you've got the the criminally so take -- submit to the process. Well it was. An exhaustive process there was about two years in the making as you guys now. Really started with the the bring -- populace is our. Architect of record and in really going through and in looking at the process and a holistic manner. As you guys as we've talked about we looked at everything from our new stadium potential. To a major retrofit like you've seen in places like Kansas City green today. And then really. Really drill down on -- we gonna look at the renovation package moving forward and that's when we decided that you know I'm a renovation was in store. And that's when we really engage with our partners at the county in the state. And as we went through that Tim -- us from -- point cars and in lieutenant governor Duffy mentioned we have about fifteen meetings. Really in the fourth quarter of this year. That really. Kick started the process and and day got a little bit -- appearance last week. When talking about the idea of renovations -- massive retrofit vs new stadium a retrofit it -- been such. Something that you would have done maybe instead of talk new stadium because in no rush slug casually when we talked about the and the idea of a new stadium I thought it's. Kind of in a dream but all of a sudden it seems like the franchises talked about it and the county the state this like. All the parties are now talking about it -- used you used the term all hands on deck for like the next step after this -- the idea is a new stadium. In theory so. Mike reckon thinking that it had you guys gone retrofit that would have been instead of talking about a new stadium. Yet here in Germany when you look at a major retrofit you know one of the things that we are very mindful of where is not passing. The cost on tour consumer and if you look you -- -- sitting Green Bay you're looking at price tags have. 400 to 500 million dollars. Of new money that's going into those facilities. And then you're looking at PS cells -- the customer and and in major uptick in ticket prices and sweet prices and so on and so forth. You know we we didn't think that was best for our market. Quite frankly right now and you know we -- really focus on. They are all fans and and really focus on preserving a modernizing Ralph Wilson Stadium at this point. Which doesn't mean immaterial Alter the footprint of the stadium. But it it also gives our fans are season ticket holders. And the general public a better experience. Here at the facility which will get into a little bit but done. You know I think the main thing with the state in the new stadium concept is just establishing a steering group. To develop a framework for the future. And examine the options for a new stadium if possible I mean -- that this doesn't mean we're going to have a new stadium. But it is something that we need to look at as we go through the next decade doesn't make financial sense what is the RO lie. Where awarded the is it a dual purpose facility that ties in. Say university of buffalo. Does it do more of for a community to bring in outside events on and so forth. But you know we also need to take a look at the economic climate. And while there's a lot of good things going on here you know the fact of the matter is that as I've mentioned many times. In the last fifteen years we've had a major population rain we've had major business strain. And the NFL's gone the other way so we and that's one of the reasons that you know I use you over were -- -- word of a rationalization. On and on a daily basis is because that's how we made it work. Mark four cars are much over the Bulldog at the day after on Friday two guys made the announcement -- and he said they originally guys wanted more obviously as far as renovations of money they could command. To do some things but obviously settled on the 130 million in. The team's ticket Chevy 35 according to reports on this renovations so compared to what you wanted to do with the money and what you're going to be able to do with the money -- tell us the change we can expect and maybe even tell -- of the things that you are thinking about doing the U. Are to be able to do well you know our -- cell was to have it in the renovation problem -- the process was exactly what we've been able to achieve and and that's going to be a better game day experience for our fans. And we want to do this in a cost effective manner and in them the other thing is we wanted the renovations. To benefit all fans to improve their game day experience. If you come into the stadium today. In you walked in it into it in 1973. In the general fan areas it's not very different. And we needed to improve. Many of those areas number one -- ingress and egress from the stadium. Circulation throughout the facility is cramped as we know. Com updating restrooms and concessions. Expanding some of the concourses and in a unique fashion. Bring in the stadium up to state of the art from a technology standpoint to drive the fan experience. We're looking to create Weston's -- plaza which will be your very community driven communal type feel and atmosphere. Which is going to be anchored by a new team store for. And we're gonna overhauled the entire -- structure to make it easier for people to give in and out of the building and then head. Another Jumbotron. Video display in the east end zone so where we're gonna do a lot of lot of our key brings a lot of key elements to the process that I think our fans are gonna really enjoy. Bill CEO Russ -- here on WHR Sports Radio 550. When talking about you know you say you're gonna look into a bomb there that the next upper studies and in you said. The possibility. Of a new stadium when you're talking with a retro -- not wanted to pass the cost on the consumers is basically. I don't know -- should and look at this lease currently. As. Calico -- waits until the next era. Yeah I think -- -- it's a good way to put it I I think. We need to stress. That we're going to examine. As partners the state in the count in the Buffalo Bills. We are going to examine the possibility. Of a new franchise. Are new are new us stadium I should say but to a new stadium brings significant cost. And where is the ROY that the return on investment. And we need to look at it again and holistic manner how does it benefit our area if it's a part of her revitalization. Of a certain area of our community. In our regional economy in needs to be looked like we're doing a lot of things in our community with you know everything that the governor of brought to. To bear with the advanced manufacturing and entrepreneurship and terrorism really focusing on those areas. If this is something that assists in that process and he's been looked debt. But you look at stadiums like Kansas City at Lambeau Field as much shoulder. Then Ralph Wilson Stadium Tom how do you achieve everything that you want to accomplish by keeping the cost structures down in keeping the fan experience great. And right now our focus is making the fan experience great at Ralph Wilson Stadium and we think the renovation package brings that to our friends. Is there -- -- Kansas City Green Bay is there -- for something along these lines where. An organization. Signed eight new mid term lease but evaluated and went from there because I think one of the things rust that you have to battle it does not just you know Buffalo Bills prominent -- Nationwide thing where. It seems like. Taxpayers and they kind of feel around the country that they've given enough to sports teams whether it's for your home renovations people have that feeling or. If it's a new stadium publicly funded stadiums around the country. I think. Sports fans and taxpayers trying to feel stretched to limits so. On when it comes the financial climate and all that is their fate is there a model Indianapolis. Or Detroit you know. When when fans are thinking and hearing about this they want and how much it cost to put up these new stadiums and -- and how they paid for so. I mean I don't know is there remodel. I think every places unique every city in -- in the national football it is. You know -- what people also forget is that is no number one convention town in the country. And as a MP a massive convention senator tied into this stadium process and that's what we're just talking about if it is tied in -- some thing. That makes sense that the governor views in the county executive -- It's something that makes sense for our business community and for the good of our our region you know we need to take logo look at it and we will. And that's why I think this is a win win. Deal as I've mentioned I think is a very progressive dealer you know I'm very started about. On the process so we're gonna go through with a I can't say enough about. Governor Cuomo and lieutenant governor Duffy. And and also the county executive mayor brown everyone who's been a part of this in -- senator Schumer who knows a few years ago was instrumental. And working on revenue sharing for small market clubs which allows us to continue to compete at the level. In the national football league of what the modern NFL list today and it was truly a partnership and were to -- started there were at this point. Two in and have the -- and pretty much an end. That's gonna get very nuts and bolts the but. I went went senator Schumer came in however many months ago and sort of talking about the G four program her her doctor of refresh my memory. As to what that means he was going to go to the lead with a suggestion about. You know deferring the cost in the event of something a lot of ownership change and other summit about a G four waiver so. How is that. What do where does that stand now and the idea that senator Schumer had how is that out there are you know 710 years from now. That is pretty not some -- -- but you know it is senator Schumer has always been a huge advocate for for the Buffalo Bills and small market franchises throughout the week. And basically our plan will not qualify as for up. For chief for a long but it should qualifiers for a chief for waiver. And that is something we need to still go through process with a week. But the chief for waiver is it's a mechanism where other owners and the players who the new CB eight wave. Sharing and certain revenues such as premiums -- club seats. And that supports the debt service costs so. The bills the other -- a fellow owners and the players are all partners in this and all invest in these improvements is not only in buffalo but this is meant throughout the league so. There's still a step in the process we need to go through and thanks to senator Schumer it's. Phenomenon notable the G four -- does that mean that you guys don't have to share certain amount of revenue source to paid. Pay down the debt on the renovation has -- -- German OK and for the G four program for new stadiums for anyone who doesn't quite know. What it would be you know hypothetically if you guys were to a try to build one in seven years on this is obviously is some in the G four program would still exist I think that numerous CBS expires in seven years so. What exactly is that program and how does that work for a new stadium. So are you can now put in for a loan request in and then not tied into the it's to -- the National Football League. And it would be a certain amount revenues that you qualify for and that again that goes into members. Given up certain revenues. I'm an individual basis so. It's a little bit complicated and and boring -- where we talk about sometimes but. You know I'm sure we would qualify for that if that ever needed to to come and play. -- and get -- a timeline here first of all when exactly will the new lease be signed by all parties and second of all. When all the renovations began when we have groundbreaking basically I guess you'd call it and then when will everything be completed. Barroso of the. First thing we need to do is are we need to ratify the agreement -- -- the National Football League and go through the different processes where news. The state legislature in the county legislature and we hope to have all of that packaged up. By the march meeting in Arizona which is the NFL owners -- And so were open have that done. If that is completed we hope to have some infrastructure work there we can complete during the 2013. Season which really. Would be focused on the the guts of the stadium. And as we talked about before when -- four year old building elect a four year old house you need to give us some tender loving care and that's what will focus on. As we -- go through the 2013. Season -- and hopefully. We'd be able in 2014. To complete a majority of the work. Bill CEO Russ -- here on WGR. -- I've from least discussions that we covered everything sour and I'm pretty sure -- fields and they go to questions we should ask about that we haven't yet Ross. No I think there you -- -- they're great job was always I just were excited about I think it's great for our fans and our populace. Architecture firms are great job former linebacker Scott Redd is -- the bills who's the lead. Architect on the process. You know and what will do is we will to a formal media presentation at the appropriate time and take. I'm not only the media through it but also take our cancerous -- people have a very good idea of what's to come artists' renderings on the way at some point. Yes we hope so and I give you some visuals. And I think our fans will really really enjoy what they -- I was gonna set by artist renderings are on. -- other. On business issues Sunday's game it blacked out that that game had thousands of tickets available the deadline of course being tomorrow unfortunately -- game will be blacked out your correct. Archie and really met with the media Monday he was pressed on a question basically has he been given any indication yea or name. Whether he'll be you know here next year about his future and obviously he declined even say whether there's been any indication. Has -- -- any indication given to buddy -- from your end or to change really from you or body next about the future yay or nay whether or not there's going to be any changes made. So what we do at the end of each years we sit down mr. Wilson and we go through the season and then we go through the evaluation process. And we anticipate doing that again. But -- answer questions there's been no indication whatsoever. -- one of the things we've been asking people would call and that is how they'll remember. The 2012 seasons so the season obviously has one game left in it against the jets. But Tom when you look back at the -- novices at this point season you guys have very high expectations -- you remember the season. Miss opportunities. Unmet expectations. And very disappointing. We came into this season with a high level of expectation. And we didn't -- it and we take responsibility for a Wii -- And it's -- and we're accountable for and it's disappointing to everyone here one bills drive. More importantly to our friends and who are. Our focus is. -- knowing that disappointment. And trying to create the right formula. For success because obviously we did not -- what we all hope to and that -- taken the next step -- -- organization. Lot of pressure defense leaning on just about anything and Thurman Thomas -- it's something a couple days ago saying. So it's it's on something alluding to some sort of big. Changed so I don't I mean I'm not gonna I'm sure you want tells you what it is and I'm sure yeah I'm I'm gonna -- -- on okay you know minorities talking about I don't know I don't know. How can you comment any rumors about tea a plane's coming to town and you meet with Colorado. There are literally going through that -- we have to do social media yes exactly you know the way it's gradually pulled back and no unfortunately I do. I Russell thank you for the time and congratulations on the -- not best of luck you know has this become to a close the season of course we'll all be paying out. Very close attention to what's gonna happen and what what sort of changes are on the way if if if in when that happens thank you guys happy new year to you to have a safe -- -- trust and.